What those middle eastern students don't (and couldn't possibly) understand

Background Story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...er-screening-over-muslim-stereotype-protests/

This incident was largely incited (hope this is not too much of a strong word) by some Muslim students/ students from Muslim-dominant countries.

It's a shame and a tragedy that they don't know by doing that, they played right into the negative stereotyping of middle-easterns: hard to assimilate, impossible to comprehend western values i.e. freedom of speech, and worst of all, they appeared (I'm sure they didn't mean to) to be making efforts in silencing voices they don't like on campus, and set themselves on the head-on collision course with American patriotism and in general, Americanism. In short, they were doing anything but helping with the situation.

They were just a bunch of kids that lacked a more shrewd collective mind and a more diplomatic approach to issues. And I doubt they will ever acquire them — after all, a lot of them are still living, or at least heavily influenced by a 7th century ideology and a way of life. And our colleges — our oh so wonderful colleges love and are in love with the idea that all cultures are equal, there is nothing wrong with your old ways.

 

I read the book, I saw the movie - please give me the reasons why this man is considered an American hero?

 

He was a sniper in the most elite fighting force in the world, an accomplishment that is overlooked by the word "sniper". A high enemy body count is usually a plus. Trading his .308 for an M4 and going door to door with the Marines is another plus when he could of stayed in the relative safety of his snipers nest.

Lots of US soldiers and marines that all owe their lives to him while under his overwatch praising him is all that is needed since they were the ones who put their lives on the line and were actually there. A bunch of kids in college who have been brainwashed into hating the very military who provide their safety by leftist professors in their schools don't have any credibility on any subject concerning the military, and sure as hell not who/when/how they kill in war. Nuff said there.

I have zero tolerance for people bashing our guys on the ground in war zones from the safety of their mommies basements while sipping on tea and eating pop tarts in their PJ's.

 

Nobody mentioned anything about hero in the article or the OP. It's not relevant. What is relevant is freedom of speech and academic at a public university is being trampled on in the name of sensitivity.

 

You must have liked the book an awfully lot to see the movie too.

The man was considered (loosely) to be a hero for protecting American soldiers in combat. That was his job and he was successful at it.

Moreover, and you know this since you both read the book and then watched the movie, the man decided to help his fellow veterans when they returned home.

Nothing would probably have come of it had a PTSD guy not become paranoid and killed him. It was the series of events that made the story. But, of course you know that - seeing as you were so interested that you even saw the movie after you read the book.

 

"Hard to assimilate..." Where's all that Western tolerance?

 

You have to be an American National first to appreciate him.

 

By hard to assimilate I mean stop enslaving your wives and children, stop treating others like inferior beings, stop being homophobic and blatant about it, and above all, do not secretly agree with the Shariah Law.

You don't fly half an earth around to somewhere just so you could keep living like a backward 3rd worlder. Doesn't matter which part of the 3rd world you came from. Vietnam, Nigeria or Kuwait.

 

I need examples.

Well, Westerners travel to Muslim societies and aren't expected to "assimilate" into Islamic cultures.

 

Gay refused to be served in Muslim shops

You mean Cat Stevens?

 

I am an American by birth born in the states. I simply asked a very simple question. I made no negative comments about this individual.

I do agree with the OPbthat the university should not have caved into public stupidity of political correct behaviour and should have shown this film.
I just want to know why this sniper was considered such an hero. There are reasonable debates within the military on thi very question.

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Why can't this post be handled w a semblance of maturity

 

I disliked both the book and the movie but I read both sides of every issue and try to keep up with what goes on in the the states.

 

Have you ever served your country? Have you ever put your life on the line for what we have here? It's easy to sit around on some political forum and Monday morning quarterback isn't it? Does that make you feel like a real patriot? You are nothing compared to Chris Kyle nor any other man or woman who has served this nation on a battlefield. The Constitution may indeed grant you the right to free speech but fortunately it also grants better men than you that same right. The very fact that you feel the need to question the actions of Chris Kyle only serves to demonstrate your absolute ignorance of the world at large.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

You have no idea what it is to be an American, nor will you ever.

 

You have no idea as to what I think about Chris Kyle as I only said that I disliked the book and the movie.

Yes, I have served in the military and I serve overseas as a civilian.

I probably know a lot more about the Constitution and the world at large compared to you.

How have you served YOUR country.

I find your comments offensive, defensive and off subject. You are speculating and having said that this discussion - if one can call it that is finished.

 

I see that you have just joined this forum so some latitude should be given.

,ost do not accuse other people of things based on assumptions and speculation.

 

You are correct, that film should have been shown at the university. There is too much political correctness and it seems to be very one sided.

 

And how often does this happen?

He's a Muslim.

 

Yes I have served my country on the battlefield and proudly so. Members of my family have given their lives for this country. I find your comments very offensive so I really do not care what you think of mine.

 

Exactly which comments do you find so offensive. I asked an honest question as to why the American Sniper should be considered a hero. I said nothing against him personally.
I have and continue to serve my country .
You seem to have a very short fuse as to why some people- INCLUDING some in the military would question why there is so much hype over this movie and individual portrayed in it.

I will now give you mu opinion about this particular American sniper.
I see nothing heroic about someone killing anyone native to a country which has been invaded and occupied illegally by the USA or any other country. Shame on us. If someone invaded my country I would fight every occupier - soldier or civilian who I could get my hands on.
No one in that country except a known criminal called Chalabi asked the USA to liberate them. What " American Values" are we protecting in the Middle East.
Now you chew on that and be as offended as you want. I can tell you one thing, you have no clue about what the founding fathers had in mind when they created this country. Self determination was a mandate not invading countries who hadn't attacked us, not bringing democracy to foreign nations. I represent true American values.

 

Your understanding of the use of American military force is as pathetic as your understanding of Chris Kyle.

When America took on the Barbary Pirates it wasn't because the Barbary Pirates were going to invade the continental US. It was because they were a threat to Americans abroad on the high seas. As it happens the military action against the pirates was handled by the very same founding members of this nation that you claim to understand so well and that action was only undertaken after making bribery payments to the pirates that bore no fruit. It seems the founding fathers learned early on that you cannot negotiate with terrorists as all they understand is the use of force.

During the Spanish American war there was no chance that Spain was going to invade the United States and as a matter of fact the spark that ignited that conflict was the United States intervention on behalf of Cuba in their struggle to gain independence from Spain. Yes even way back in 1898 the US was involving itself in the affairs of other countries that had no affect on our country directly. As a result of the Spanish American war the United States took possession of Guam, Hawaii and The Philippines. Oh yes we were very hands off weren't we? Clearly the Iraq war was the first time the US had involved itself in the affairs of another country.

Chew on that for awhile genius.

By the time World War One rolled around there was absolutely no reason for the United States to send troops to Europe to fight. Europe was no threat to us and there was no chance we would be invaded by them. Yet we sent troops there to fight. Gosh that just doesn't jive with your rather myopic view of American founders and American involvement over seas does it? Funny that.

The list goes on obviously. World War Two, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Libya, Lebanon and ultimately the first Gulf War in 1990. In all of these instances we were involved militarily against countries that were not a threat to the continental US. What they were was a threat to was the world in general or the United States interests abroad. Iraq was a place that harbored, funded and trained terrorists that then moved about the world causing death and destruction. They deserved what they got. The war there was authorized by democrats and republicans alike and as it happens it was a just war that unfortunately needed to happen.

Chris Kyle saved the lives of American troops, period. That alone makes him a hero and the fact that you even question it only further demonstrates your absolute lack of any real understanding on this issue.

 

I pity this poor country of ours. It is on a downward slide. At least I am polite and you are anything but.
A few American values which seem to be lacking.

Debating a point with you is useless. Please, go find another justifiable war to fight

 

The typical dismissal of someone who knows they have lost the debate because their points have been proven wrong, ill informed or otherwise moot. This country is not rendered weaker by men like me. Far from it in fact.

 

How rare do you think this happen?

Ultimate form of assimilation isn't it?

 

Quite rare.

No one forced him to revert.

 

This is why the rest of the world doesn't like Americans.They keep telling me you people are just the loudest of the bunch, but sometimes I wonder.

Have you ever participated in a public debate, because what you are doing is not debating.

Oh really? Which battlefield?