The Last Time Oceans Got This Acidic This Fast, 96% of Marine Life Went Extinct

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  1. jc456

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    you have proof of this? Interesting, you're like the only one. post it up there s0n.
     
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    It is pretty simple actually. Many years ago during the carboniferous period trees began to grow and covered the earth. But the bacteria and fungus that causes decay in wood had not evolved so the trees died and covered the forest floors. They were eventually buried and formed coal. Since wood in made up of sugars (carbon based) the carbon from the earths atmosphere was stored in coal. Century upon century trees died and were buried locking up the carbon taken from the atmosphere.

    Then...millions of years later man began to burn the ancient forest and the carbon locked up in the trees was released into the air. At the same time man began to deforest the earth for housing, crops, charcoal,etc.
    So you have a situation where the carbon released into the air is not being absorbed by trees....because they are cut down....and extra carbon is being released because of fossil fuel burning.

    It should be common sense. Because it makes sense.
     
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    and what caused it back then?..fred flinstone and his buddies?...NATURE...not man...
     
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    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    Forest fires happen naturally too. So all forest fires are caused by nature?
    Footprints are found in nature. All footprints are made by nature?
    Natural nuclear reactions happen deep underground. All nuclear reactions are by nature?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, since you ask, yes. It is only recently in Earth's history as an animal come along that doesn't believe they are a part of nature, which is absurd. Call it a psychosis.
     
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    Hippy.
     
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    Pure Baloney! The climate has ALWAYS been changing...and man has nothing to do with it. We find Ammonite Fossils all the time.....they were here millions of years ago, proving that much of the interior lands were once under water. Greenland was named "Green" land.....because it was once all green and lush. All these events happened long before man and industry. I can recall when in the early 1970's some of these same scientists were predicting a coming "Mini-Ice age." Today, the liberal chant is all about being anti-fossil fuels and anti-capitalism. That is ALL the current "Chicken Little the sky is falling baloney" is about. Big Al Gore got super rich off of it.
     
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    This logic doesn't work. Forest fires are natural. So manmade forest fires don't exist?
    The greenland ice sheet is older than Homosapiens. The last time it was lush and green humans didn't exist.
     
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    Greenland was named Greenland because the Vikings wanted people to settle there. It was a lie to fool people.
     
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    There are other theories as to how Greenland got its name. One theory is that the “green” in Greenland is actually a translation error. The word “grunt” actually means ground and it could be that Greenland was meant to be named Gruntland (or ground land).
     
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    So, applying your logic, since forest fires happened before man, therefore man cannot cause forest fires. That's very faulty thinking you have there. One might even call it Pure Baloney.

    You can? Do you have a citation for that? Because I'm betting that the only thing you remember from the 1970's is an article in Newsweek written by a reporter, and not a paper in a journal written by a scientist.

    Would you care to lay a wager on whether Al Gore is richer than Charles Koch?
     
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    you sure about that whole coal from tree thing?

    And, are you saying there are no more trees?

    Edit:

    from the institute creation resource web site:
    The Origin of Coal
    by Stuart E. Nevins, M.S.
    Evidence for Creation

    "Accumulated, compacted and altered plants form a sedimentary rock called coal. It is not only a resource of great economic importance, but a rock of intense fascination to the student of earth history. Although coal forms less than one percent of the sedimentary rock record, it is of foremost importance to the Bible-believing geologist. Here is where he finds one of his strongest geological arguments for the reality of the great Noachian Flood.

    Two theories have been proposed to explain the formation of coal. The popular theory held by many uninformitarian geologists is that the plants which compose the coal were accumulated in large freshwater swamps or peat bogs during many thousands of years. This first theory which supposes growth-in-place of vegetable material is called the autochthonous theory.

    The second theory suggests that coal strata accumulated from plants which had been rapidly transported and deposited under flood conditions. This second theory which claims transportation of vegetable debris is called the allochthonous theory."
     
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    I am not saying there are no more trees...but there are not as many as there used to be.

    Science does not come from a group that thinks the earth is 8,000 years old.
     
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    OMG - creationism
     
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    and how do you come to that conclusion?

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    huh?????
     
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    YEC is based on Biblical literalism, where 1 day in Genesis is literally 24 hours. Since the universe is certainly older than 10,000 years by the evidence of your own eyes, Biblical literalism must be wrong. And YEC along with it.
     
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    not my cup of tea.
     
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    They want to get us nuked, but first, we'll have to lose our water, get poisoned, pee'd on, crapped on, and fired up.

    If this process isn't thorough, GW will come on UP, from Paraguay, to run salvage.

    Turns out, before the warming and climate change and mass extinction get us, naturally, for (*)(*)(*)(*)ing up, industrially and legally and ethically, to death of the several animal species and habitats, we are way, WAY DUE, to get ninja'd to death, but along came Hadj, and we're toast, eventually.

    For you of O fans, the pattern of nukings will tend, to happen, in twos, in a big circle.

    Duh, Hi Scott, in the booth. Quack? Yah, he went to that, from having such AND a big N on his hat, so go figure our destiny.

    Same, as WAY, O-WAY, O-WAY! Oakland As, right? Atomic bomb shots, in a circle, including ushered in, by SF Giants recall, of the glory days, of the As, while letting GW watch the 2010 series, but then, the Giants keep lining up the Marshalls, for Metallica, to queer metal and the AT&T ballyard, redundantly, while trying to suck a big, ol' jet airliner, into AT&T, on some busy, black-and-orange sunday occasion.

    Yeah, the As used to own the Giants, and I guess they still do, in some fatal way.

    Timmy night be splainin' this, after a time, I predict.
     
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    Ya know how it goes with astroturfing, all social BS and no facts or reason.

    Here is some empirical substantive evidence of a growing problem.

    http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acidification's+impact+on+oysters+and+other+shellfish

    America is the leader of environmental destruction so it is up to Americans to control their government which collides with corporations on a church approved agenda.

    We need a lawful and peaceful revolution in order to get back into the balance with nature.

    BTW, I'm unconvinced that global warming is man made. See the Antartica ice thread for evidence on what really causes it. However, acidification of coastal waters on the west coast and overall toxicity is man made.
     
  24. Hoosier8

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    You mean if you imagine you are operating a plant and line carrying toxic material bursts based on some model someone cooked up.

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    The alleged acidification is .1 on the alkaline PH scale towards neutral which can't really be measured since the uncertainty range is larger than the alleged change.
     
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    The shellfish know the difference, but your masters won't want anyone to know that.

    Your unsupported quasi scientific statement is the opposite of documented fact from multiple websites.

    http://e360.yale.edu/feature/northwest_oyster_die-offs_show_ocean_acidification_has_arrived/2466/

    Finally, the couple enlisted the help of Burke Hales, a biogeochemist and ocean ecologist at Oregon State University. He soon homed in on the carbon chemistry of the water. “My wife sent a few samples in and Hales said someone had screwed up the samples because the [dissolved CO2 gas] level was so ridiculously high,” says Wiegardt, fourth-
     

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