Josh Duggar resigns from Family Research Council after sexual abuse allegations

As opposed to fear mongering against other groups.

It would be hypocrisy maybe if he had been fondling little boys, otherwise I do not see your logic there. Otherwise, we do not know what he admitted to or who knew what when. Just because he did not admit it to you or you were unaware of it does not mean that it was hidden.

 

So you don't think that calling gays a danger to children...while you yourself are molesting children...qualifies as being a hypocrite?

Do you think that TLC would have given them a show if they knew Josh Duggar had molested his younger sisters? The parents hid it. The show aired after the molestation took place. That is hiding it. TLC canceled their show just recently because of this.

Sorry, you really should do some soul searching if you're defending a pedophile.

 

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...fter-mike-huckabee-appointed-judge-orders-it/

So now we see his friends in power on the right trying to cover up for him further.

A judge appointed by Huckabee orders the destruction of Josh Duggar's juvenile record. Trying to destroy the paper trail of his crimes.

How sick are these people? Defending and covering up for a pedophile.

Where are their family values? Where is the decency? Where is their christian nature?

A sham, all of it.

 

Lets clarify. This is what Josh Duggar has been reported to have done.

"The report states that Jim Bob Duggar was first alerted by one of the alleged victims in March 2002. She allegedly told Jim Bob that Josh had been touching her genitals and breasts while she was sleeping, according to the report."

I was abducted and sexually assaulted and an attempt was taken on my life, when I was ten, by a stranger.

I spent a good deal of time in my young adult years in therapy situations with many assault victims, and went on to be in a position of helping/counseling many amongst this same group of people.

The way that the Duggar family handled this situation is typical to how social services recommends the handling of this type of situation - counseling. To suggest that the gov't 'jails' the teens and preteens who do this (like Lena Dunham) with a sibling shows a complete ignorance of the full topic.

Absolute truth in that. There has been no consideration for the victims here. This is a play toy for the media without any consideration for those involved - and the same for those running with it on a political angle.

 

Every report I have seen indicated that this happened years ago when he himself was a child. Verb tenses matter.

No idea what the TLC people think or will do. That network is all over the place.

Can you point to evidence that TLC ever asked them "Did any of your children ever fondle little girls?"

No they cancelled it because of the public stink over this.

And you should do some dictionary searching and look up the definition of pedophile. He was not an adult when this happened from what I have read.

 

They sought no counseling for Josh.

They send him to a family friend to work in a remodeling business.

Why keep trying to tout their lie?

 

It wasn't abuse. It was research.

 

He was fourteen and he molesting a five year old.

I don't care what your excuses might be, he was a pedophile.

I would think that a major tv network would vet people they were going to have on their network.

That should have included a police background check on all of them, even the minors.

 

http://www.bostonnewstime.com/regio...t-to-prison-on-child-pornography-charges.html

The trooper who "investigated" Josh Duggar is spending 60 years in prison on child pornography charges.

This story just keeps getting sicker and sicker.

 

I have not seen a report that gave the age of his victims. You have a link or that or is that another fact you have made up in your string of nonsense allegations.

 

How do you know . . . cuz you read that in an article? Are you that gullible? Do you even know the many sources that can be sought out for legitimate counseling, including religious elders?

If you read on the topic there is not ONE article that can confirm what counseling was sought . . . a lot of presumptive guess work though going on tidbits of information.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_Kids_and_Counting#Duggar_family

There's the ages off the entire family.

Do the math for yourself.

And while you do maybe take a real good look at yourself and try to figure out why you're defending a pedophile.

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Because out of Michelle Duggar's own mouth she admitted they didn't send Josh to counseling, they sent him to a friends to work for the summer.

Why are you defending a pedophile?

 

For those that seem oblivious to the common occurrence that this is.

". . . A 2002 study by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services found that at least 2.3 percent of children have been sexually victimized by a sibling. By comparison, 0.12 percent are sexually abused by an adult family member.

To be clear, sexual curiosity in children is normal. All children explore their bodies and may engage in visual or even manual exploration of a sibling at times. This is one way that children discover sexual differences between boys’ and girls’ anatomies. Even siblings of the same gender become curious about variations in shapes and sizes of their sex organs. Two small children exploring each other’s bodies does not predestine them to a life of emotional suffering.

But the fact that some sexual contact between siblings is normal has allowed society to ignore a lot of unhealthy behavior. Sexual activity between children long has been regarded as harmless. Some evidence also suggests that parents are significantly more likely to blame and doubt their child when she or he was sexually abused by a minor than by an adult. Because children rarely report sibling sexual assault and because parents frequently overlook it, research is scarce and estimates of its prevalence likely are conservative. This underreporting has hindered psychologists in developing universal criteria to differentiate abusive sexual contact from normal sexual exploration.

I began treating adult survivors of sibling sexual abuse in 1990 and, based on my initial research, I published an early definition of sibling sexual abuse that has been widely adopted by other psychologists. I believe sibling sexual behavior becomes abusive when:

the victim is not developmentally prepared for it,
the behavior is repeated,
or the interaction doesn’t reflect normal curiosity for the perpetrator’s age.

Other researchers have developed different criteria. Some draw the line when the interaction includes oral-genital contact or intercourse. Others believe coercion is the difference between natural curiosity and abuse. Sexual abuse frequently includes coercion by older or more powerful brothers or sisters. For instance, one of my adult male clients was introduced to sex by his adolescent sister when he was 9. Intensely stimulated by the sexual contact, he begged for sex while his sister would hold out contingent on certain behavior, vaguely defined as “being a good boy.” He felt implicated as a co-conspirator because he remembered desiring the sexual contact."

source - http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...demic-no-wonder-lena-dunham-caused-an-uproar/

 

A fourteen year old is curios about sex, there is no doubt there. But they don't target minor siblings for that curiosity.

That is not normal or appropriate behavior. A fourteen year old has the cognitive function to determine that.

 

I am not defending a pedophile. A pedophile, by definition, is an ADULT who is sexually attracted to young children.

Why are you labeling a 14 year old a pedophile?

Secondly, I am not defending Josh Duggar or his actions as a 14 year old.

Stop jumping to conclusions.

I am refusing, however, to accept the lies that are being spread about this situation. Speaking up about lies being told does not equate to 'defending' someone.

Many of those lies are lies that you are repeating.

Michelle did not admit anywhere that I have found that she 'didn't send Josh to counseling, as you have stated. If you can provide proof of that statement I would gladly read it.

I did read her state that the training center he went to did not involve a counselor. Why would you then jump to the conclusion that this would have been the only opportunity for counseling and spin it to mean that?

I don't like the lies that are being spun. That means I will speak out to those that are spinning them.

Josh Duggar's wife made this statement, indicating that he did receive counseling.

And Josh's wife Anna, 26, says she has remained supportive of her husband – even after he confessed his "past teenage mistakes" two years before he proposed marriage.

"I can imagine the shock many of you are going through reading this. I remember feeling that same shock," she says. "When my family and I first visited the Duggar home, Josh shared his past teenage mistakes. I was surprised at his openness and humility and at the same time didn't know why he was sharing it. For Josh, he wanted not just me but my parents to know who he really was – even very difficult past mistakes."

But Anna said she had confidence that the counseling her husband received "changed his life."

"He continued to do what he was taught. [I know] who Josh really is – someone who had gone down a wrong path and had humbled himself before God and those whom he had offended," she says. "Someone who had received the help needed to change the direction of his life and do what is right."

And for his part, Josh says he continues living with regret.

"I would do anything to go back to those teen years and take different actions," says Josh. "I sought forgiveness from those I had wronged and asked Christ to forgive me and come into my life. In my life today, I am so very thankful for God's grace, mercy and redemption." ​

 

I know of many minor siblings that have been targeted by their teen siblings.

Is it 'normal'. No. Is it fairly common. My experience and the article I posted (that has references) suggests that it is in case you don't want to rely on anecdote. The article also delves into the manner in which it is handled by the psychiatric community and the complexities involved.

 

Being interviewed Jim Bob said they sent Josh for counseling. Michelle admitted that the "counseling" was actually working for a family friend...and that was the only "counseling" that he ever recieved.

I'm sorry you're dead set on defending a man who victimized his siblings and others. Then assumed a political career deamonizing gay people as being a threat to children.

You don't do something like that and walk away from it with a slap on the wrist.

These predators are being hidden by the right wing political sphere and they need to be brought to justice.

Why are you trying to defend them?

As for what his wife says...of course she is defending her husband. That is what she was raised to do in that type of super conservative household. You don't question a man when he speaks. I fear for their own children.

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It was never handled by the psychological community because these right wing conservative christians covered up their sons abuse of their daughters and other children...and never got any of them help.

 

White Christian male.

'Nuff said.

 

No, that was not said by Michelle. If you have found anywhere that was said, from source, provide the source. I saw one article where this was concluded for spin, but it wasn't sourced.

. . . and now you are trying to spin what I am doing. I stated, outright, that I am not defending Josh Duggar or his actions. There is no where that I have done that.

I am speaking to the lies being spun. Again, that is not 'defense' of a person or their actions.

Most 14 year olds that do this DO end up just having it handled in counseling . . . if that, so what do you mean?

Again, don't try to spin my calling people out on their lies as 'defense' of Josh Duggar.

The quote I provided was for the reference to his getting counseling.

You want to believe news stories with vague references saying that he didn't, but not the ones saying that he did. Why?

As a mom she best be monitoring carefully the parent/child interactions. I advise that to every parent, however.

It is easy to see where you are coming from then. I am not Christian, by the way, in case you have me pegged there.

If you provide a credible reference proving that Josh Duggar did not get counseling then I will be all eyes.

 

News: Josh Duggar molested his sisters.

Right-wing: Yeah, but what about Ben-(*)(*)(*)(*)ing-ghazi?!

News: What do you have to say about his parents who probably kept it "in the family" for over a year and is now using their political connections to expunge the records?

Right-wing: B-E-N-G-H-A-Z-I!!!!!!!!

 

He molested five young girls, four of them his sisters.

His parents were informed and did nothing about it.

They waited a year before even seeking any kinda of help for him. And then that help was staying with a family friend to work for the summer.

When a family friend found a letter written in a borrowed book detailing the abuse they went to the police.

The officer who spoke to Josh and the Duggar's is now serving sixty years in prison on child porn charges.

A judge appointed by Mike Huckabee has ordered the juvenile records be destroyed to cover up anything else.

These are the facts that have come to light.

Josh Duggar has made a political career for himself in the Family Research Council that is listed as an active hate group and has labeled gays a threat to children.

A person who molested four of his sisters and at least one other victim built a career out of family values and fear mongering. He had his past covered up to protect him by his family, a police officer who is now in jail for child porn, and now a judge who was appointed by Huckabee who is also a personal friend of Josh Duggar.

Those are the facts.

Why are you protecting a child molester?

 

Sorry, but you're not the one who gets to redefine "Christian" every time someone does something that you may or may not agree with.

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Or if he wasn't a prominent Christian.

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So you asked God yourself?

 

Why would I do that?.....especially since he has already done so with the God he has chosen from the many options.

 

Just because God forgives doesn't mean there are no consequences to pay.

For example, let's say someone vandalizes my car. I can forgive that person, but he still has to pay to fix it.

 

Again its difficult to get into discussions about sexual behavioural disorders when most people do not understand how they are defined.

Pedophilia refers to an adult sexually attracted to a child who has NOT reached puberty. The actual pedophile is aroused by a pre-pubic child because they have no sexual features. They are neither homo or heterosexual. The gender of the child does not define them as a homosexual or heterosexual pedophile.

Homosexual or heterosexual is a psychological term used to describe attraction sexually between two consenting adults with equal capacity.

****philia refers to adults who are sexually attracted to children in early puberty when sexual characteristics first arise but young men and women still have similar muscular and facial features, little body hair and are still asexual in appearance.

A ****phile will not as a general rule be attracted to teenagers fully matured and similar in height and weight to them.

There are then other disorders experienced by say teens who molest younger children or children who molest children.

When a teen molests a child the psychiatrist will examine what stage of sexual development the teen is in and what stage of sexual development the person they targeted was. The molestation may be sexual or simply sadistic.

Its not necessarily sexual or sadistic, sometimes a mix of the two sometimes other behavioural anomalies inter-mix.

The DSM-IV and now DSM-V Psychiatric Diagnostic Manuals are referred to and its theroleof a psychiatrist with a speciality in sexual behaviours, a sexologist, or a psychologist specializing in sexual behaviour, who may focus on sexual behavioural issues.

Forensic or criminal psychiatrists or psychologists may have knowledge of it as well.

The point is its an ever changing area and is not fixed and absolute at this stage because it requires we analyze not just psychiatric/psychological/sexual phenomena, but culture, religion, sociology, anthropology, neurology, genetics to name just some academic areas.

Stop and remember we now know very little about the chemicals that make up the brain and how if we miss a bit of just one chemical, it can throw our behaviour out of wack. We do not fully understand what goes wrong when neurons misfire and cause schizophrenia. We are just now trying to understand the chemicals in neuro transmission of signals to form thoughts. We don't understand why some access parts of their brain others can not. We have identified where the brain lights up when people experience pleasure but we don't know why some people distort who they should be sexually attracted to and feel compelled to have sex with children, etc. like others are compelled to crave alcohol, gambling, rugs, food.

Psychiatry defines behaviour as problematic when it believes an individual expresses an inability to accept it, or engage in violence, self hurt or behaviour that is not consensual with others.

The sexual illnesses identified are based on the assumption that he behaviours are dangerous and cause harm, are not consensual, there is a power imbalance between the parties, there is violence.

Morality is not the domain of medical or social sciences. That belongs to ethicists, theologians, or philosophers.

We often say crime is defined as an immoral action but in practical reality many crimes are not immoral but they do all have one thing in common-they engage in behaviour that harms others, someone or the person committing the crime.

That all said when a teen molests a child or a child molests another child, its defined as child sexual abuse when there is sexual stimulation of some kind. That is the key to the definition, the fact is that a party with more power is sexually stimulated either by unilateral or bilateral, manual manipulation, oral interaction or penetration of an orifice with sexual parts of the body.

Playing doctor is one thing. Going the next step and manipulating body parts to the point of sexual arousal and pleasure makes it go over the line to turn into molestation and so we have to be clear on that and not compare simple exploration and sexual gratifying acts. I go to great detail saying this so when people discuss the issue they don't suggest even unintentionally that its normal for children to engage in sexual exploration.

Its normal to engage in the exploration of one's anatomy but in a non sexual way. When it generates sexual gratification or pleasure or excitement, then its problematic or as some say, abnormal.

The spectrum and range of sexual disorders starts when their is sexual arousal not before.

Sexual molestation by children or teens against other teens can happen in school, at home, anywhere where children can be found unsupervised and detached from adults.

The number one form of child sexual abuse is marriages to children with adults which is still culturally acceptable in many nations. As well in many nations raping boys by grown men is very prevalent. In Afghanistan for example US and other coalition soldiers were shocked to see older and grandfather aged men raping boys common place.

Since Josh Duggar is 27 he claims 12 years ago he molested his sisters which made him 15.

What remains unclear is how many he molested, what their ages were and what he did.

To properly diagnose him one would need to know all of that.

As well a proper psychiatric diagnosis would require careful analysis of his behaviour from the age he commenced to date.

Its very unlikely he molested a set number of people and stopped. This kind of behaviour does not stop. You don't grow out of it. Its like being an alcoholic. If you go sober you usually fall off the bandwagon many times, struggle to stay sober and its unlikely you'd do it on your own.

Usually such people only admit it when they feel they have been caught and have no choice as a pro-active pubic relations exercise to control the news and reactions to it to maintain control to protect one's power base once they have been exposed.

Its common for sexual deviants to start young and not because they were themselves molested. That is a myth. People who are molested don't catch a molestation germ and become them. Its not contagious. Its an inherent abnormality in the genetic code of the individual. Environmental and cultural conditions may negatively amplify its side effects but do not cause the molestation.

I would suspect this individual has molested many and eventually more will come out.

Please understand child molesters use religion as a shield to make themselves legitimate and gain access to new vulnerable subjects to molest.

This has nothing to do with Christianity other than another example of how sexual deviants manipulate behaviour to make themselves appear trustworthy to gain access to the vulnerable to molest and in this case using religion to do it.

No you don't magically have your compulsions stop because you are born again. That is bs.