All Christians are against gay rights and gay marriage

This didn't work against interracial marriages either.

 

They aren't special rights, when SSM is legalized you too can marry the same sex. Equal, not special rights.

 

Sorry, my first sentence was referring to "hate crimes" and such things as "gay Parades" but not allowing "non gay Parades" etc. My second sentence addressed your point.

 

I am a Christian

I believe that any consenting adults should be able to form a contract to share their life and wealth. If they wish to call that contract marriage so be it.There is no good reason to say no as the government.

But two people of the opposite sex cannot get married in the eyes of the Church. What they have I will not consider marriage either.

At the same time my opinion of their union means nothing and I wish them well in all they do and am joyful they have found love because if nothing else love is one of the gifts of God granted to anyone willing to accept it.

So as a Christian I am for equal treatment of all citizens even though I disagree and do not recognize the religious status of their union.

 

No, that isn't true (what you're saying). But yes, it IS true that gay people are "gay" 24/7; there's no getting around that.

So, would you (and every other "Christian" you've presumed to speak for) prefer that all of those gay people either LIE about or PRETEND to not be gay?! Really... what the heck are YOU saying or asking for here?!!

Do you 'expect' that homosexual HUMAN BEINGS will not fight within a given society to be treated equally under the law?!! What, then?!!

Having DEHUMANIZING behavior shoved at you 24/7 for a lifetime... now THAT is hard to deal with. (Talk to some 'gays' or other minorities about that. You'll catch on quickly.)

But does your 'sympathy' make sense or help point to solutions for all?

So... where were YOU, when gay people had to endure being discriminated against, hurt and dehumanized out of view of the public eye? I say, than GOD for the reality that the millions of openly gay and closeted people in America (Ireland and other nations) are gaining the voice they deserve as HUMAN beings.

If someone has a problem with people being gay, then it is THEIR OWN. Gay people are hardly seeking or trying to take over the lives of straight people in this reality. And your commentary seems to imply something as silly as that. That... on top of the stark reality that 'heterosexuality' is surely not something that's modestly handled or somehow hidden under a social-tarp. Hell... many gay people can't even BE themselves without homophobic people making some big deal of it. How many (gay) kids at least 10 and up... suffer in silence, because closed-mindedness and religious 'tradition' have prohibited them from even expressing themselves as human beings??!!

The world surely doesn't 'need' more of that.

Please, besides providing some counterpoint within social discussions on the matter... how has "media" caused this mythical 'manifestation' you are referring to. And please, site examples of REAL (actually taking place) discrimination and proof they are truly 'responsible'.

And I ask you this:

Who/what is or has been responsible for the irrational animus directed at homosexual people... for thousands of years. And what makes you think that such MUST continue in perpetuity? Please, share what you think about that.

No one is being FORCED to do anything against their will. I don't know one single person (out of the tens of thousands I've spoken to), who is somehow ashamed of being 'heterosexual'. And no... there is no "anti-straight" movement or set of laws (anti-choice, might be the closest thing to that); nothing like that which homosexual people have had to face and live with for a very long time.

 

1. I said nothing about gay people needing to pretend to not be gay, or "stay in the closet". I just said that for a group that wants to be treated like equals, they act as if they're entitled to special privilege.

2. Have you not been paying attention to the news about pizza shops or bakeries refusing to cater to gay weddings being hit with condemnation and death threats? The media demonizes them as if they are completely homophobic, when really, they're just trying to exercise their rights much more than trying to oppress the rights of gays. Just because a bakery or pizza shop won't cater to gay weddings doesn't mean they'll refuse service to gays any other times when they want nothing more than something to eat.

Amazing how you can type out such a long rebuttal, yet can't comprehend the lone paragraph that is my original post.

 

By "Western Civilization", I assume you're referring to a system of values created by a bronze age culture in the Middle East, popularized in the mediterranean, growing fastest in Asia and Africa.

"Western Civilization" is a white supremacist codeword for "All of the prejudices people thought were okay back in the middle ages".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches

Not all christians are against.
Some chruches will even marry them.
It would be a non issue if the christians would just act christian and stop playing God. Just submit to God.

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Now this is more dumb that the thread OP. Come on.

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You mean like remove that plank from your own eye.........?

 

Divorced christians already destroyed that 50 yrs ago. Near 1/2 are living adulterous lifestyles, in 2nd or more marriages. Ripped families apart by separating. So this tiny tiny minority of 3% or less isn't ripping anything apart except for the self righteous hypocrites.

 

50 years ago... so around the same time as the progressive social revolution of the 1960's? The one that encouraged "free love", drug use, easy divorce, etc? What a coincidence.

 

SSM is not a special privilege as you can marry someone of the same sex as well when it's legalized.

So do you honestly think that a restaurant that advertised they wouldn't cater or serve an interracial marriage wouldn't be protested the same way? And I'm not talking death threats or threats of violence that is against the law no matter who is doing it.

If the restaurant said they would serve black or white people but they wouldn't serve an interracial marriage, they would be boycotted the same way.

 

You'd know "Western civilization" when you see it. You live in it, and would likely live nowhere else, given the chance. It's always amazing to me how self-identified "socialists" have so many options to go live in a socialist country, but don't.

 

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Adultery is a sin, if you don't preach about those adulterers in 2nd marriage it makes the whining about gay seem pointless. Far more adulterers in the world that gay.
And if you tell your kids adultery is ok, IE 2nd or more marriages are ok, then someday your kids will find out you've been lying.

 

1. It is a special privilege if it violates the definition of marriage.

2. You're comparing apples to oranges. You're bringing up race in a topic about sexual orientation.

 

Irrelevant as definitions do and have changed. You don't own the right to marriage.

Nope, no one has proven that sexual orientation is a choice only and not from birth as race is. I have yet to meet anyone personally that chose to be homosexual as their orientation. They were attracted to the same sex from as long as they remember.

 

To be fair, most Unitatians do not think of themselves as Christians. Even the ones that do mostly apply it only to Jesus' moral teachings and nothing else. They are far less likely to take the old testament seriously as trinitarian denominations are.

 

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Yep, and all those christian participated and are participating today.
I see you could not refute the hypocrisy of near 1/2 the christians. I didn't think you honestly could. Just tried the usual deflection.

 

I doubt that 60's radicals were "Christian". Religion is one of the establishments they were trying to overthrow in their quest for enlightenment.

It wasn't a deflection. You're using damage caused by left-wing goals to justify more damage from a left-wing goal. It's a type of circular reasoning.

 

The scandinavian nations are the prime example of democratic socialism. They're the middle ground between socialism and capitalism. If I had the economic means and language skills to more easily learn one of their languages, I'd definitely move there.

When you say "Western Civilization", however, it's obvious that you're referring to a tradition of bigotry and prejudice against minorities.

 

ALL Christians are against gay rights and marriage or they are not REAL Christians, right?

 

Sorry dude...but just because people think differently than you and feel their opinion should be heard, does not mean he are attacking.

Relax your persecution complex and trust in you God....no one wants to (*)(*)(*)(*) your fat ass.

 

Most of the country is still considered christian. Even more so back in the 60's. To say there were no christians involved would be lying or ignorant.

What damage? You think LW caused the christians to get divorced and rip families apart?

If it truly was LW at the time, why are christians, yet today, getting divorce, ripping families apart, getting remarried, living in adulterous sin? Near 50%.
And they want to whine at less than 3% who would like to marry.
They are hypocrites, you have to agree with that.

 

In what way? How is their religious freedom affected if people who are different than they are get treated the same and have the same rights?

 

The very foundation of the RC church. Which completely goes against the teaching of Jesus.
Worse yet, many of the churches to separate from the RC, still took the bigotry and hypocrisy with them.
Near 2000 yrs of this stuff, it won't change easily.