Russia's witness saw Malay plane downed by air missile

The main thing to remember is not just the fact the Su-25 even if in perfect alignment climbing behind a Boeing 777 can neither reach an altitude necessary to fire it's R-60 Rockets as well as this fact....

According to the Russian Manufacturers of the The Molniya (now Vympel) R-60 (NATO reporting name: AA-8 'Aphid') is a lightweight infrared homing air-to-air missile designed for use by Soviet fighter aircraft. It has been widely exported, and remains in service with the CIS and many other nations.
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History[edit]The R-60 was initially developed for the MiG-23. Work began on the weapon, under the bureau designation K-60 (izdeliye 62), in the late 1960s. Series production began in 1973. It entered service with the designation R-60 (NATO 'Aphid-A').

When introduced, the R-60 was one of the world's lightest air-to-air missiles, with a launch weight of 44 kg (97 lb). It has infrared guidance, with an uncooled Komar (Mosquito) seeker head. Control is by forward rudders with large rear fins. The distinctive canards on the nose, known as "destabilizers," serve to improve the rudders' efficiency at high angles of attack. The R-60 uses a small, 3 kg (6.6 lb) tungsten expanding-rod surrounding a high explosive fragmentation warhead. Two different types of proximity fuze can be fitted: the standard Strizh (Swift) optical fuse, which can be replaced with a Kolibri active radar fuse. Missiles equipped with the latter fuse were designated R-60K

Practical engagement range is about 4,000 m (4,400 yd),

On 20 April 1978 two R-60 missiles were fired at Korean Air Lines Flight 902 after a navigational error had caused it to fly into Russian airspace. One missile hit, detaching 4 meters of the left wing and killing 2 passengers. The plane made an emergency landing on a frozen lake.


NOW......even if by SOME MIRACLE.....an R-60 Heatseeker was able to strike a Boeing 777's Engine.....this would not destroy the 777.....in fact since the R-60 only has a small, 3 kg (6.6 lb) tungsten expanding-rod surrounding a high explosive fragmentation warhead.....there is ONLY A 27% PROBABILITY THE R-60 WARHEAD which would follow and target and detonate in PROXIMITY to ONE of the 777's Engines that it would be able to even knock out the 777's MASSIVE ENGINE DESIGNED TO HAVE ULTRA-STRONG CASINGS AND EXHAUST DIRECTORS FOR THRUST AS WELL THE 777'S ENGINE INTAKE BLADES ARE SUPER STRONG!!

Even if one of the 777's ENGINES by some FREAK ONE IN 10^150th PROBABILITY of STRIKE was shut down by an R-60....the explosive force of the R-60's fragmentation warhead.......IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO DOWN THE AIRCRAFT!!!!

But all this is BULL S#!# because the Su-25 even if loaded with 2 R-60's and NOTHING ELSE.....were the only ammo or weapons carried by an Su-25.....and even if the Su-25 was already at 9,000 Feet.....flying at a speed of 427 MPH......as fuly loaded with weapons the Su-25 can only achieve a velocity of 385 MPH at 9,000 Feet......due to the ABSOLUTELY SNAILS RATE OF CLIMB OF THE SU-25......58 m/s (11,400 ft/min).......AND THIS RATE OF CLIMB IS THAT OF THE NEWEST OR LATEST PRODUCTION SU-25'S OR SU-25K'S.......here is the problem.

The Su-25 stripped down of all armaments and ammo but just carrying two R-60 Primitive Heat Seaking Missiles COULD......NEVER....EVER.....EVEN WITH A HEADWIND GOING UP AT IT'S ATTACK ANGLE.....come even CLOSE enough to Fire it's R-60's and even if it did.....the R-60's having only a 4,000 Meter EFFECTIVE RANGE....would be so far behind that Boeing 777 traveling at 33,000 feet and at 550 mph......there is NO CHANCE AT ALL.....ZERO% CHANCE......EVEN IF THE SU-25 WAS PREPARED FOR INTERCEPT OF THE 777......IT STILL COULD NOT DOWN IT!!!

The Boeing 777 is one of the strongest and toughest Commercial Airliner Flying.

It was designed to travel VAST OVER OCEAN DISTANCES WITH TWO OF THE BEST DESIGNED AND STRONGEST FROM BOTH AN ENGINEERING VEIW AS WELL AS STRONGEST FROM A.....(If we are going to fly this massive airliner over the Pacific with only two engines they better be designed and made of materials that will SHREAD AND SHRUG OFF ACCIDENTAL MULTIPLE LARGE OCEA GOING BIRD STRIKES INTO THE ENGINES INTAKES!!!

The Su-25 IS AN UNPRESSURIZED CABIN and a Pilot climbing in an Su-25 above 12,000 feet for any short length of time even with the Pilot breathing O2....once the Pilot in a stripped down Su-25 reached the 5 Km Altitude and this Altitude Maximum is given to us by SUKHOI.....THIS 5 KM'S IS 16,404 FEET WITH TWO R-60 ROCKETS ATTACHED TO THE SU-25!!!

Now REMEMBER....this is data SUPPLIED BY THE SUKHOI.......the Su-25's Manufacturer!!!

So.....an Su-25 with two R-60 Rockets AND NOTHING ELSE FOR AMMO OR BOMBS AND JUST ONE PILOT....according to it's own Manufacturer can achieve a MAXIMUM SERVICE CEILING OF 16,404 FEET.

Any additional attempt to continue climbing would result in the STALLING OUT OF THE SU-25'S ENGINES!!!

The Su-25 has the Boeing 777 aligned and it is properly behind the 777 to allow the R-60 HEAT SEEKER to LOCK ON!!!

The Su-25 FIRES BOTH R-60'S!!!

And the two R-60's travel 4000 Meters or 4,400 Yards and as this is an R-60's MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE.....THEY HIT NOTHING!!!

4,400 Yards is 13,200 FEET......add this to the Su-25's altitude of 16,404 FEET and we get a total MAXIMUM OPERATIONAL STRIKE ELEVATION OF 29,604 FEET!!!

The Boeing is shown by American, Russian, British, French, NATO, Ukrainian, Turkish....etc...etc...etc....BOTH LAND AND SATELLITE BASED RADARS AS EXPLODING IN A MASSIVE CATASTROPHIC MANNER CAUING EXPLOSIVE DECOMPRESSION AT 33,000 AND TRAELING AT 550 MPH!!!

The DIFFERENCE from the Ukraiian Su-25 WHICH ALONG WITH OTHERS WERE ATTACKING RUSSIAN SPEAKING SEPERATIST GROUND SITES!!!

Even if this fairy tale of on Su-25 attempting to shoot down a 777.....the ACTUAL DISTANCE is not just 33,000 Feet Minus 29,604 Feet a difference of 3,396 Feet......IT IS MUCH GREATER IF AN ATTEMPT WAS MADE WHICH IT WASN'T BUT FOR HA-HA'S!.....let's say it did!!

As the Stripped down Su-25 Climbed carrying just the two R-60 Rockets it's rate of climb get's SLOWER from it's original Rate of climb: 58 m/s (11,400 ft/min)......as the angle of attack necessary to even align itself with the 777 would be CONSTANTLY CHANGING due to the EXTREMELY SLOW VELOCITY OF AN SU-25 EVEN WHEN STRIPPED OF EVERYTHING INCLUDING JUST ONE MAN AND CARRYING ONLY TWO R-60 MISSILES!!!

The 777 is cruising at 33,000 Feet and traveling at a velocity of 550 mph.....while the Su-25 even properly aligned CANNOT OVERCOME THE ALTITUDE AND THE SPEED OF THE BOEING 777!!!!!

And this is the worse part about this.....Putin has CONTROL OF THE RUSSIAN MEDIA!!!

He even has Ruaviation a once HONORABLE AGENCY OR COMPANY OR WHATEVER THEY ARE NOW AS PUTIN CONTROLS THEM......LYING TO THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND THE WORLD!!!

BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SU-25 STRIPPED DOWN LIKE I HAVE DESCRIBED TO EVEN GET IT'S HEAT SEEKING R-60 ROCKETS TO GET IN RANGE TO EVEN STRIKE THE BOEING 777'S ENGINES........NEVER MIND THAT PUTIN FORCED RUAVIATION TO MAKE THEMSELVES INTO THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLDS AVIATION MARKET, PILOTS, MILITARY AVIATORS AND ANYONE WHO FLIES...........because....

BECAUSE RUAVIATION KNOWS NOT ONLY IS THE BOEING 777 FLYING TOO FAST AND FLYING AT AN ELEVATION TOO HIGH FOR THE SU-25 TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO HAVING THAT R-60 ROCKET DETONATE ANYWHERE NEAR THE 777'S ENGINES......BUT EVEN IF BY AN ACT OF GOD THEY DID.......THE R-60'S DO NOT HAVE THE SUFFICIENT PROXIMITY DETONATION FORCE OF SHRAPNEL IMPACTS TO PENETRATE A SINGLE 777 ENGINE AS THE 777 ENGINES ARE DESIGNED TO HANDLE GREATER IMPACTS AND SURVIVE.....BUT EVEN IF IT SHUT DOWN AN ENGINE....THE 777 FLYS FINE WITH JUST ONE ENGINE!!!


If I was any of my Russian Friends and a few of them were Pilots in the Soviet Air Force.....one flew a Mig-21 and the other just retired as he became a spokesman for Sukhoi.......I KNOW HE MUST BE EMBARRASSED AS ALL HELL!!!

A BUK was launched by Russian Speaking Seperatists......they could not tell the difference between the radar signatures of a Boeing 777 CIVILIAN PASSENGER JET FLYING AT 33,000 AND AT 550 MPH AND THE UKRAINIAN SU-25'S ALL OF WHICH WERE LOADED SPECIFICALLY FOR GROUND ATTACK NOT LOADED TO HUNT SU-30'S OR MIG-29'S!!!!

Everyone here has a right to speak what they believe but SHARIK......trust me and do yourself a favor on this debate.......don't allow yourself to become a LAUGHING STOCK......like what Putin made the once HONORABLE RUAVIATION!!!!

We know what happened.

We even know the person who decided to fire the SAM.

U.S. Recon Satellite BSOLUTELY SATURATE THE SPACE OVER THIS REGION!!!

We detected the Launch and as the United States has extremely of the Highest Order in Advancement Satellite Infrared, Radar, Microwave, Digital Real Time Video...etc....TECHNOLOGY.....along with the NSA which is RECORDING EVERY ELECTRONIC BIT OF COMMUNICATION OCCURING ON EARTH....IN THE SEAS AND OCEANS....IN SPACE.....AND UNDERGROUND......the EVIDENCE IS OVERWHEALMING!!!

Go see if you can Google what some of the employees of RUAVIATION STATED before some of them were arrested and several BEAT TO WITHIN AN INCH OF THEIR LIVES.....after complaining to the Putin Controlled Russian Media that they were FORCED BY PUTIN AND HIS ADVISORS TO LIE!!!


AboveAlpha

 

this according to its Absolute Ceiling parameters or not?

because the Su-25 could have gone out of its way to get the Boeing and succeeded at that.

 

First of all, every fighter pilot is taught how to distinguish among the various planes around the world. Boing 777s are flown all over the planet, and are very easy to recognize. Secondly, the conspiracy theory that it was a Ukrainian fighter pilot, and not rebel forces that shot it down is laughable and unsupported by evidence.

 

I have a question for people that claim that it was Su-25 that shot down the passenger airplane.

1) Why did the Ukrainians send this particular airplane up? I mean, even if we suggest that it can theoretically intercept an airplane at thirty thousand feet, it would still be extremely difficult. Why not send an actual fighter jet, like an Su-27?
2) How did the Su-25 cause such extensive damage in such a short time? From the published Netherlands report we know that the pilots didn't say anything about the airplane being hit, or even scream/swear. We know that the black box recording ceased almost immediately. That indicates a level of destruction that an R-60 rocker, or the Su-25 cannon simply cannot achieve.

 

2. I assume Ukrainians were afraid either of full-out Russian aggression, or perhaps that Russia would supply the rebels with attack airplanes.

3. Ukraine has delegated the leadership of both the technical and the criminal investigations to the Netherlands.

6. Stop repeating Russian propaganda. The airplane didn't deviate from its route on the day it was shot down. Look at the maps here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h-of-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17.html?_r=0 Or check this yourself on the Flight24 tracker.

7. It was closed up to a certain altitude. But yes, Ukrainians probably didn't do as much as they should have. Civilian aircraft should have been divereted from that area once the insurgents started shooting down the Ukrainian Antonov airplanes. Still, the majority of the blame lays with whoever actually shot down the airplane -- claiming something else would be ridiculous.

8. Haha. A Spanish air-traffic controller? I didn't think somebody still believes in that B.S. There was never a Spanish air-traffic controller, just an internet impostor.

9. Proof? And even if you're right, why is that important? The Netherlands committee published the air controller recordings, and did not indicate that they were tampered with.

 

I think Elbit Systems has modified the SU25. New engines and light fuel could change all the numbers for the Sukhoi.

BUK did not take down the 777

 

Many people think that the conspiracy theory that the rebels shot down MH17 is also laughable.

 

I'm certain that the rebels responsible want you to believe that. Congratulations.

 

The Su-25 attempting to go after the Boeing 777 would have stalled and the 777 would have been well out of range by the time the Su-25 was able to even climb to this altitude and even if the Su-25 could have reached higher elevations again...the Boeing 777 is just far too fast and again would be well out of range.

AboveAlpha

 

but in fact it wasn't like one plane chasing after the other. MH17 had deflected from its route, for some strange reason, so the Ukranian Su25 only had to wait on it to appear within reach to scoot into a brief, sharp and precise attack.

 

Ditto Congratulations to you for for believing the other side as well. (There, see how easy that was - a non post in response to a non post).

 

No, it wasn't. Quit mindlessly repeating Kremlin's propaganda. Here are the tracks of the MH-17 flights in the month prior to it being shot down.

In case you didn't see my question above -- even if we buy into the conspiracy, can you coherently explain why exactly did the Ukrainians choose an attack airplane (Su-25) to deliberately shoot down the airplane, instead of Su-27 or Mig-29?

Also, are you aware that the Russians are backtracking on the Su-25 story right now, and claiming it was BUK afterall?

 

the airliner did divert to 37+6 km north - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

so that civillians be killed to cause a worldwide scandal.

what do you call 'russians' for that matter?.. i myself am a Russian, and the Investigative Committee http://en.sledcom.ru/news/item/934215/ are Russians too.

 

I've asked the question before, and received a courteous but not-convincing answer--how do we know which airplane was involved in the attack, SU25 or 27?

If a 25, how do we know it was a stock airplane, or one modified by Elbit with newer engines and weapons?

 

A Ukrainian SU-25M1 can reach 10,000 meters I assume clean & armed with cannon only. Don't know if speed is still a problem with it shooting down MH17.

http://www.redstar.gr/Foto_red/Eng/Aircraft/Su_25M1.html
The web page has photos (copyrighted) as well.

Claims R-60M missile/Frogfoot combination is enough to take out MH17, read with grain of salt.
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Political_skeptic/Propaganda/Tragedy_of_flight_MH17/su25.shtml

 

Just a reminder of the evidence as it was first originally found at the crash site.

http://malaysiandigest.com/frontpage/29-4-tile/512066-us-analysts-conclude-mh17-downed-by-aircraft.html

Notice how the holes were induced from two different directions, one BUK missile would not be enough for both directions.

 

sorry, i didn't understand this question at first... well, i can't explain why Kiev air force chose a Su-25 to carry out that attack; most likely because it was at hand.

 

That's just too bad that separatists were the only ones shooting down planes in the area at the time and constantly bragging about it, that's too bad they had BUK systems available to them and bragged about it, that's too bad they bragged about shooting down a "ukrainian military plane" at exactly the same time and the same location where the Malaysian plane was shot down, that's too bad that the conversation between a rebel commander and his Kremlin handler on how to handle the shooting down of a civilian plane was intercepted and well publicized.

 

Because they didn't shoot it down.

There is NO WAY a Su-25 could have shot down that Boeing 777......no chance.

As I have stated there are a few Russian Forum Members here who agree with me and just about every other person who knows anything about the Su-25 and the R-60 Rockets.

Even the Russian's call then ROCKETS rather than call them Air to Air Missiles because the R-60 is an archaic very early Soviet Design although there were even more rudimentary versions that came out first.

Any distance of an Su-25 to it's target and that target had better be flying at the same rate or even slower than the Su-25 for the R-60's to shoot another aircraft down because any distance beyond 4,400 Yards or 4000 Meters....FORGET IT!!

Even an Su-25 using R-60's at a target at 3200 Meters is 50/50% chance at best!!

Balancer said it best and I commend Balancer who is a Russian Member for talking about the FACTS....when he went into a very detailed and fact based reply post to another member who asked Balancer why he thought the chances of an Su-25 shooting down a Boeing 777 traveling at 550 MPH at an altitude of 33,000 feet were dim if not almost impossible.

Look....the R-60 Rockets are not much more than GUNS at any distance past about 3200 meters although the Heatseeking Element of the R-60 is listed as effective up to 4000 meters.

But since the Su-25 cannot fly faster than 385 mph at 9000 feet fully armed plus the Ukraine Air Force was using Su-25's in a GROUND COMBAT SUPPORT ROLE!!!

The Ukrainian's certainly would never be out hunting MiG-29's or Su-30's with an Su-25.

I really don't understand why some members here keep bringing up the 1 in 10^150th Chance that an Su-25 actually shot down a Boeing 777.....one of the most advanced and durable Passenger Jet Airliner flying around the Planet.

The engines of a Boeing 777 are ENORMOUS and extremely tough. The 777 is designed to fly Transcontinental Distances thus designed to travel QUICKLY, SAFELY AND WITH GREAT ENGINE POWERWITH ONLY 2 ENGINES over the Pacific, Atlantic, Arctic, Indian....etc....OCEANS....with ONLY 2 ENGINES!!!

Malaysia Airlines operated and purchased 17 Boeing 777-200ER's......ER....standing for EXTENDED RANGE.

The Boeing 777 is a long-range wide-body twin-engine jet airliner designed and manufactured by Boeing Commercial Airplanes, the commercial business unit of Boeing. Commonly referred to as "Triple Seven",[5] it is the largest twinjet and the world's longest-range airliner.[6] The 777 can accommodate between 301 and 365 passengers in a three-class layout,[7] and has a range of 5,235 to 9,380 nautical miles (9,695 to 17,372 km),

On March 1997, China Southern Airlines made history by flying the 1st Boeing 777 scheduled transpacific route, which was the flagship Guangzhou-Los Angeles route. On April 2 1997, a Boeing 777-200ER (dubbed the "Super Ranger") of Malaysia Airlines, broke the Great Circle Distance Without Landing record for an airliner by flying east (the long way) from Boeing Field, Seattle, to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, a distance of 20,044 km (10,823 nmi), in 21 hours, 23 minutes.

The Boeing 777-200ER Engines are made by GE/Pratt & Whitney and Rollls Royce Trent.

The General Electric GE90 is a family of high-bypass turbofan aircraft engines built by GE Aviation for the Boeing 777, with thrust ratings ranging from 74,000 to 115,000 lbf (330 to 510 kN). It entered service in November 1995. Currently the world’s largest turbofan engine, it is one of three options for the 777-200, -200ER.

Since the 777-200ER held the record for LONGEST CONTINUOUS FLIGHT WITHOUT REFUELING....I belive the Boeing 787 DREAMLINER has now broken the 777's record.....BUT FOR ANY AIRCRAFT IN THIS CASE A BOEING 777-200ER FLYING 20,044 km WITHOUT STOPPING TO REFUEL OR LAND.....MOSTLY TRAVELING OVER OCEAN MEANS YOU HAVE 2 VERY TOUGH, DURABLE AND STRONG AS HELL DESIGNED ENGINES!!!

Questions have been raised since the R-60 is a PROXIMITY EXPLODING WARHEAD....IF IT IS EVEN POSSIBLE FOR AN R-60 ROCKET TO EVEN CAUSE ENOUGH DAMAGE TO EVEN JUST SHUT DOWN A SINGLE 777 ENGINE NEVER MIND THE TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY OF AN R-60 LAUNCHED FROM A TOO SLOW TO CLIMB TO RANGE SU-25 WHICH DOES NOT EVEN HAVE A PRESSURIZED CABIN FOR THE SU-25 PILOT!!!!!!

A BUK SAM took down the 777.

Everything we have seen, recorded, measured, detected and most importantly is the PICTURES OF THE MULTIPLE SHRAPNEL HOLES ALL OVER THE CABIN OF THE 777!!!

The BUK SAM also is a PROXIMITY DETONATION WARHEAD!!!

The pictures of the wreakage show the 777's cabin RIDDLED WITH SHRAPNEL HOLES CREATED BY THE PROXIMITY DETONATION OF A BUK SAM LAUNCHED FROM A RUSSIAN SPEAKING SEPERATIST SAM UNIT who obviously were too inexperienced to even be with 1000 Meters of the DAMN SAM LAUNCHER never mind being left there without a Spetsnaz Advisor and I CANNOT BELIEVE THE RUSSIAN SPECIAL FORCES LEADERSIP COULD BE SO STUPID AS TO ALLOW THESE MORONS TO PLAY WITH A BUK SAM LAUNCHER!!!

This was OBVIOUSLY POLITICAL!!!

Putin had to do everything he could to portray this as Russia coming in to help the POOR ABUSED RUSSIAN SPEAKING UKRAINIAN'S!!! B.S.!!!!

Putin just did not want any Photo's from a Cell Phone of SPETSNAZ AND RUSSIAN MILITARY ADVISORS OPERATING ADVANCED WEAPONS SYSTEMS IN THE CRIMEA!!!

AboveAlpha

 

there's a chance since a 777 is not a military aircraft designed for air combat, so a Su-25 only had to lie in wait lurking in the sky to intercept it in a certain point & and time by a brief attack dealt sharply and precisely, although with enormous strain of all its resources.

it doesn't make for anything but a mere opinion. Solzshenitsyn for example would agree with the Western party line take on Stalinism, however this doesn't make him trustworthy. Russians to be heard in diversity of opinions, not only what the West wants to hear from them.

 

Even if the Su-25 waited for the 777 it could not fly high enough or fast enough to get those R-60's within range.

It is doubtful a single R-60 could even damage a single 777 engine to the point it would not work as the R-60 has a Proximity Detonation Warhead and since even if alignment and position was PERFECT....the 777 would be still up too high and traveling too fast for the R-60's to have their Proximity Warheads detonate.

They would be at even the very best possible angle of attack 4000 feet away.....thus they would not detonate.

AboveAlpha

 

That last bit has been debunked on these forums so much as a forgery I've lost count.

 

Oh, you're talking about that minor course correction. I thought you meant the doctored picture where the route deviation was very significant. You realize that airplanes never fly in the exact same route, but rather in a so-called airway? Look at the map of the previous MH-17 flights that month, the tracks don't line up exactly. That's normal, and certainly isn't proof of malicious intent.

I'm not asking for your reasoning behind the alleged conspiracy plot.

I'm asking why, in this conspiracy, are Ukrainians shooting down the passanger aircraft with a Su-25? Why not an actual fighter, like an Su-27?

Various official Russian venues. For instance:

"Russian air space control systems detected a Ukrainian Air Force plane, presumably an SU-25, scrambling in the direction of the Malaysian Boeing ... The distance of the SU-25 plane from the Boeing was from 3 to 5 kilometres (2 to 3 miles)," Air Force Lieutenant-General Igor Makushev said." Are you really trying to deny Russian claims about the Su-25 -- from the Russian officials, Russian news media, claims of witnesses, etc? I'm sure you know I can find plenty of stuff that proves these claims.

 

(1) Russians claimed for a long time it was an Su-25. Now they're backtracking and saying it was BUK afterall.
(2) Even the modified airplane would have a VERY hard time shooting down the passenger jet. And it would be almost impossible to cause the heavy damage that is evident from the wreckage and from the fact that the pilots didn't have time to indicate that the airplane was hit, and that all black box recordings ended very abruptly.

 

Correct....when I saw the wreckage the FIRST THING I NOTICED was that the cabin had hundreds of shrapnel holes in them consistent with an BUK SAM which has a PROXIMITY DETECTION WARHEAD.

The BUK get's close enough and then detonates causing the damage I and everyone else saw.

Besides the fact there is NO CHANCE IN HELL an Su-25 equipped with R-60 Missiles could have shot down a 777 traveling at 550 mph at 33,000 feet....the R-60's simply are a very Primitive Heatseeker that has a maximum effective range STATED BY IT'S MANUFACTURER of only 4000 Meters of 4400 Yards.

In reality the R-60 only has a 50/50% chance of detonating with a Proximity Warhead of it's own and actually hitting anything it has been targeted and shot at nowhere beyond 3400 Meters.

AND.....it is highly doubtful such an R-60 Detonation could even cause enough damage to even shut down a single 777 engine as this was a Boeing 777-200ER.....Extended Range which has THE LARGEST JET ENGINES ON THE PLANET as well as the TOUGHEST!!

There are only 2 and this aircraft broke the long distance record for flight continous without refuling on the ground.

AboveAlpha