Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact

Haha, really? Hmm, maybe because there was another guy in the same transport vehicle, in the same predicament and he didn't die, nor report they slammed on the break. And hes a black, that has to hurt. His name is probably Tom.

 

was he buckled in?

 

Another trait for these so called "black hate crimes". The victim automatically becomes a weak feeble cerebal palsy type character. Case in point other than this one, Trayvon. He was so "tired" from walking to the 7/11 half a mile away, "in the rain". The victimizing for sympathy is tiring.

 

Doesn't matter. The only thing that matters if he confirms they breaked hard. Did he?

 

i didn't interview him, so i don't know

 

Hes been interviewed. Had it happened, he would have said so. So Mosby, needs to step down, ASAP, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. The tox report is going to be brutal.

 

Well dozens of interviews with citizens, family, and some "reporters" (such as al sharpton) said they did kill him... but lets ignore all that and move on...

Assuming this report is accurate, and they are going to say "likely" cause by a police van suddenly decelerating... this is going to get 4 of the 6 cops off instantly... because the 2 officers in charge of the van are responsible for securing individuals and their well-being after they take custody of the individual, which includes any need for medical treatment... and since the injury is "likely" caused by the van, that means the injury did not occur by the other 4 officers...

thats what the lawyers for 4 of the officers will argue... now they've got reasonable doubt...

However, the lawyers for the other 2 individuals, are now going to argue the "likely" sudden tackling of the individual by the 4 officers caused the injuries sustained and they had no way to tell if he needed medical treatment... and they actually have a mound of audio and video evidence that has surface to confirm this... so now they can create reasonable doubt for causing the injury that ultimately cause the death...so they'll end up with a small slap on the wrist for failing to follow procedure and checking the other officers buckled him in correctly, which will get them possibly fired at best... I'm not even sure the jury will convict them of lesser charges...

so now will there be a riot when the 4 aren't convicted, or when the 2 aren't convicted, or will it be two riots one for each event... aren't you curious why they set a trial date to start in october... which means it will finish roughly in january or february assuming they follow normal patterns... which means it will be tons of snow and cold to keep people off the streets... coincidence, I think not...

 

uh....did anyone actually....read the article??

 

so were blaming the victim now, how about if the drivers would of secured him properly he would of survived

 

Being secured improperly is better than not being secured at all(and being secured properly obviously trumphs both of these), but he was in fact secured. A Fact the prosecution cannot refute. One of the key questions will be for the officer who saw Mr. Grey while he asked for assistance and why did he/she not relay that information to fellow officers or why they didn't act on it.

If that question can be answered sufficiently, her case is pretty sunk(and it was on low standards to begin with). As for hopes for involuntary manslaughter, she has a tough case to prove there too.

The key question is what constitutes 'high-degree of risk'. If there were any other factors(and Grey moving around is definitely a factor) then the risk was magnified not by the actions of the LEO's but by Grey himself.

She's in a tight corner with very few legal options. Prepare yourselves for a Zimmerman-like result, you're not going to like it but she put politics over justice and now its going to come back to haunt her in actual proceedings. Just like the Zimmerman trial did.

 

Most probably a head lock like this to subdue Gray.



Laws of physics and mob control applied and that's it.They should bring street jackets and stronger harness when dealing with violent captives next time.

 

Gray wasn't secured at all.

they beat him to a pulp by driving around like maniacs.

......but this time, they killed the guy, rather than just beating him up.

 

I read it... and thats why all 6 officers will not end up in jail... lawyers will now be able to argue 4 are now instantly innocent since they did not kill him since it was "likely" according to the medical examiner to have occurred in the van... only 2 officers in charge of the van will now be on trial since they "take custody" of an individual once he's placed in the van and are responsible for his care and well being... lawyers for those 2 officers will now argue he sustained the "likely" force when he was tackled by the other 4 officers, creating the injury as shown in audio and video evidence... and since those officers put him in the back, at most the 2 officers will be fired for failing to follow procedure and put him in the van themselves... but since they can create reasonable doubt and that the injury was prior to being in the van, and there is no "proof" of a sudden stop, they too will at most get fired...

you see that the medical examiner worded things... its setup to create enough for lawyers for any of the officers to blame the other officers while creating doubt for each one... they will have to be convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt"... how the heck can any prosecutor do that now... because the report says its "likely" the van cops... but they don't have any proof it was, but they do have proof of his clear physical condition being dragged to the van... but since the medical examiner report says it was the van, those cops now create reasonable doubt that it happened in the van and not prior!!!

this is like the perfect get a cop out of jail report and setup...

I predict all 6 will not be convicted... and maybe 2 will be fired for lack of following procedure... but they might not even get fired...

 

I thought I wandered into the NYSE website, with all the speculation going on. Myself, I'll reserve judgement until the trial begins.

 

And given this is what some cops used to hurt the arrested. So, it was more than likely intentional.

I was in jail once when I was young, for have one too many drinks and driving. I witnessed rogue cops beating the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of a couple people, because the cops didn't like what the arrested people were saying to them. This is still common here in the south, especially in the sheriff's dept. So, the two I saw had the person who like me, was intoxicated, and in handcuff, behind his back, and they literally kicked the guy unconscious, and threw him in the drunk tank with me and a few others. Then about an hour later, a repeat, except they couldn't kick this guy unconscious.

My cousin is a millionaire today. His son took him to the local dragstrip one sunday and on the way home they got stopped, after they had just left the drag strip. His son did not drink and was driving, but my cousin was drunk in the back seat. He mouthed off at the cop, was pulled out and the cop broke his leg.They threw him in jail, and after he sobered up,he told them his leg was broken by them,and they refused to take him to the hospital. He sued and federal court and got rich. He no longer drinks.


Cops are not nice people, many of them. Many are sociopaths, which is why they go into that sort of work. And they are worse today than ever before. They have this code of silence, so that even the good ones will not rat on the sociopaths. Many police depts. are as criminal as the mafia is. And these are the people who protect and serve us. Now, they are dressing and acting like special forces fighting radicals in the middle east.

But I have known some good cops, many years ago. Honest men, who wanted to protect and serve the public, but the drug war changed that.

 

Maybe they should have broken both his arms and both is legs to get him to stop fighting and belted into the seat?

 

We still don't know all of the facts, but at least there was an independent investigation by the DA 's office. Now maybe that investigation was also biased in the way it drew its conclusions, that is for a jury to decide if necessary, but they will not be inventing evidence and, just as importantly, they won't be hiding incriminating evidence either. I am totally uncomfortable when a police department investigates its own. Even in cases where the violence was absolutely necessary, internal investigations do not build public confidence. Every incident where the police causes harm to a member of the public should be investigated by a totally unbiased agency. Ultimately that will benefit the police as well as insure justice for all.

 

Thats what im wondering, thats one hell of a brake check to kill someone.

 

I am leery as well of the ME who did the autopsy. Political lackey? The case is too politically charged and the moron of a mayor has already shown she's interested only in a Lib agenda. I suspect this is why the report took so long. However, real medical experts will soon look at it and we'll get some objectivity.

 

Yea because nobody ever fights them, that's makes sense.

 

Has anyone ever asked, what reason would any of the cops involved had to intentionally injure a suspect who did not resist arrest, did not even try to fight any of the officers during this arrest (or his many priors) and was taken into custody with relative ease... I know he ran, majority of the perps in Baltimore city run at the sight of cops just for the sport of it. They don't get "tuned up" just for running.

The cops all have careers they would like to keep, their family likely gets their health insurance through their municipality... Why would they risk their lively hood for a dime a dozen perp that ran from them and was caught shortly without incident?

 

Had Freddie simply cooperated he'd likely be alive today. No one but his Mom is crying for him.

 

Because it makes good propaganda toward an agenda.

 

Since more blacks kill blacks than whites kill blacks, we should go after the three black people in this case.

 

I know, I was asking a rhetorical question for our low information crowd.