Conversation with a Pastor

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  1. CRUE CAB

    CRUE CAB New Member

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    No more unbelievable that we have enough crude oil in the ground to pump millions of gallons a day for decades on end. Just from dead dinosaurs.
     
  2. yardmeat

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    Who claimed that? I've never heard a remotely scientifically educated person claim that. Even if there were people claiming that, it would still be more believable than the Adam and Eve story, which can't be meshed with basic science and history.

    Sorry, but death and disease and general animal misery were around before humans ever came into existence. No need to invoke magic to explain it.
     
  3. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Yes, its a genetic fact that we comeback from the code which made our Unconscious mind.
    We come back ,... if we don't go extinct that is.
    If we behave with sexual promiscuity, we go extinct.
    That is the bottom line.
     
  4. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    I have no intention of teaching you Religion.....YOU can tell me what Religious Ideology drives you to think and say what you do and I will listen and consider what you say with sincerity.

    In return please allow me to educate you about Quantum Mechanics, Quantum and Biological Evolution, Viral DNA Encoding, How the mear fact that QUANTUM PROCESSORS, QUANTUM COMPUTERS AND QUANTUM SYSTEMS exist and actually work because if your using Google as a Search Engine you are using a system that has a QUANTUM PROCESSOR as Google purchased one from D-Wave.....and the mear fact that a Quantum Computer WORKS is PROOF that a MULTIVERSAL SYSTEM is in play.

    I can teach you such things and provide the Logic, Data and Proof if you would like to learn.

    I on the other hand am interested in what drives a person to have FAITH in the existence of a GOD as described in the Bible, Koran and Torah or Tanakh.

    This has always interested me and what I hope to get out of this is an understanding what exactly is it be it conditioning, the need to believe in an afterlife, the need for hope...etc....I would like to understand WHY and WHAT is it that drives you against all existing evidence to the contrary?

    I think if we both act sincerly then we both might get something out of the exchange.

    What do you say?

    AboveAlpha

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    I agree.

    AboveAlpha
     
  5. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    LOL!!!!!

    OH MAN!!!!

    BEER SHOT OUT OF MY NOSE!!! LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  6. Margot2

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    Is that the sum of your knowledge about crude oil?
     
  7. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Actually Oil, Coal and Shale Oil come 99.999999999999999% from decayed Plant Matter.

    The last .0000000000000001% was from Dinosaurs.

    The STORY of Adam and Eve is just that....A FANCIFUL STORY written by Man.

    Eve and the Snake got SCREWED in the deal.

    AboveAlpha
     
  8. Qchan

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    Do you have evidence to prove otherwise? Wait... Didn't I ask you for that evidence before? Where is it?



    Proven wrong about what? That your article has stated multiple times that the book of Genesis was not copied from the story of Gilgamesh? Your own source said it and now you're trying to damage control. Your last reply was simply you throwing emotions and not facts at me. I don't have time.
     
  9. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks. Saved me a job.

    Not only that but earlier myths had similarities, many drawing on each other, before the Hebrew view.
     
  10. Qchan

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    I never said microevolution doesn't happen. I said macroevolution doesn't happen. Atavism isn't a sign of macroevolution, but microevolution. Microevolution doesn't show new information being placed into an animal's DNA. It simply shows a switch based from already existing information.



    I provide facts when I go to prove a point. You provide blind emotion loaded assertions based on your personal opinions.
     
  11. AboveAlpha

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    OK....this post of yours is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of how I could help you understand a few things.

    First of all your use of the Terminology.

    In Quantum Physics and Mechanics there are the riddles of the TWO SCALES.

    One is the QUANTUM SCALE......the other is the MACRO SCALE.

    Now anything you can see or exists on a MICROSCOPIC LEVEL is part of the MACRO SCALE.

    The Macro Scales smallest Component is the ATOM.....and it's LARGEST COMPONENTS are CELESTIAL BODIES OR CELESTIAL CONSTRUCTS such as Galaxies, Nebulas, Galactic Clusters...etc.

    The QUANTUM SCALE......the smallest component is still debatable as the Protons and Neutrons that comprise an Atomic Nucleus are completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy.

    This will explain in laymans terms....

    The answer to the enduring question of the smallest thing in the universe has evolved along with humanity. People once thought grains of sand were the building blocks of what we see around us. Then the atom was discovered, and it was thought indivisible, until it was split to reveal protons, neutrons and electrons inside. These too, seemed like fundamental particles, before scientists discovered that protons and neutrons are made of three quarks each.

    "This time we haven't been able to see any evidence at all that there's anything inside quarks," said physicist Andy Parker. "Have we reached the most fundamental layer of matter?"

    And even if quarks and electrons are indivisible, Parker said, scientists don't know if they are the smallest bits of matter in existence, or if the universe contains objects that are even more minute. [Graphic: Nature's Tiniest Particles]



    Parker, a professor of high-energy physics at England's Cambridge University, recently hosted a television special on the U.K.'s BBC Two channel called "Horizon: How Small is the Universe?"

    Strings or points?

    In experiments, teensy, tiny particles like quarks and electrons seem to act like single points of matter with no spatial distribution. But point-like objects complicate the laws of physics. Because you can get infinitely close to a point, the forces acting on it can become infinitely large, and scientists hate infinities.

    An idea called superstring theory could solve this issue. The theory posits that all particles, instead of being point-like, are actually little loops of string. Nothing can get infinitely close to a loop of string, because it will always be slightly closer to one part than another. That "loophole" appears to solve some of these problems of infinities, making the idea appealing to physicists. Yet scientists still have no experimental evidence that string theory is correct.

    Another way of solving the point problem is to say that space itself isn't continuous and smooth, but is actually made of discrete pixels, or grains, sometimes referred to as space-time foam. In that case, two particles wouldn't be able to come infinitely close to each other because they would always have to be separated by the minimum size of a grain of space.

    A singularity

    Another contender for the title of smallest thing in the universe is the singularity at the center of a black hole. Black holes are formed when matter is condensed in a small enough space that gravity takes over, causing the matter to pull inward and inward, ultimately condensing into a single point of infinite density. At least, according to the current laws of physics.

    But most experts don't think black holes are really infinitely dense. They think this infinity is the product of an inherent conflict between two reigning theories — general relativity and quantum mechanics — and that when a theory of quantum gravity can be formulated, the true nature of black holes will be revealed.

    "My guess is that [black hole singularities] are quite a lot smaller than a quark, but I don't believe they're of infinite density," Parker told LiveScience. "Most likely they are maybe a million million times or even more than that smaller than the distances we've seen so far."

    That would make singularities roughly the size of superstrings, if they exist.

    The Planck length

    Superstrings, singularities, and even grains of the universe could all turn out to be about the size of the "Planck length." [Tiny Grandeur: Stunning Photos of the Very Small]

    A Planck length is 1.6 x 10^-35 meters (the number 16 preceded by 34 zeroes and a decimal point) — an incomprehensibly small scale that is implicated in various aspects of physics.

    The Planck length is far and away too small for any instrument to measure, but beyond that, it is thought to represent the theoretical limit of the shortest measureable length. According to the uncertainty principle, no instrument should ever be able to measure anything smaller, because at that range, the universe is probabilistic and indeterminate.

    This scale is also thought to be the demarcating line between general relativity and quantum mechanics.

    "It corresponds to the distance where the gravitational field is so strong that it can start to do things like make black holes out of the energy of the field," Parker said. "At the Planck length we expect quantum gravity takes over."

    Perhaps all of the universe's smallest things are roughly the size of the Planck length.

    LINK....http://www.space.com/17629-smallest-ingredients-universe-physics.html

    AboveAlpha...p.s...Unlike how the Macro Scale such as how a Star or Sun might have Planets and Asteroids and Comets orbiting about that star and that star might orbit the Supermassive Black Holes that exist at the center of all Spiral and other Galaxies and how a combination of Mass given to all Hadrons by the Higgs Field which is generated by a Higgs-Boson which is a Quantum Particle/Wave Form of Energy......this is the conundrum.

    The Macro Scale does not behave like the Quantum Scale and Vice Versa.

    As an Atom having a Nucleus of....except with Hydrogen.....both Protons and Neutrons and this Atomic Nucleus has around it ORBITING ELECTRON FIELDS....but as Electrons are Quantum Particle/Wave Forms they exist AS BOTH PARTICLE AND WAVE and do not behave as PLANETS ORBITING A STAR BEHAVE AND DO NOT SHOW ANY COMPARISONS TO CELESTIAL MECHANICS.

    Thus the QUANTUM SCALE does not behave like the Macro Scale.

    This is where a UFT must be developed and Understood and UFT stands for Unified Field Theory.

    If you would like to learn more I will explain further.

    AboveAlpha
     
  12. Qchan

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    ...

    You hate evidence.
     
  13. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    You posted this to me...."(I usually ignore posts like these. AboveAlpha brings up arguments I never made, or the OP never made. He even brings up arguments he himself have never made. Everything he's saying here are all new arguments that I just don't have the time to debate right now.)"...end quote Qchan.

    Why?

    I was making you a sicere offer.....and you could have just said..."No thank you.".....or you could have just declined...but instead you made sure to go out of your way to post....THIS.

    THIS....is EXACTLY what interests me.

    Your complete and total inability to perform in any other manner other than CONFRONTATIONAL AND ANGRY AND DEFESSIVE AGRESSION.

    My offer WAS sincere.

    But in a way you helped me understand an aspect of such behavior.....it is driven by FEAR.

    FEAR....that someday you might have to admit to yourself that there is a lot more going on out there than just right and wrong.....as you percieve it.

    I feel more sorry for you than other members......because you have no ability to even control your replies even when another member...in this case being me....was being completely sincere.

    I will PRAY FOR YOU....in my own way.

    AboveAlpha
     
  14. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's the idea of mixing my post with anothers' post. Stick to one thing. I have provided you with plenty of proof that my opinions are shared by many others. You just don't want to accept what doesn't please YOU.
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Plank length used to be about 15', and used by 'Pirates of the Caribbean'. :wink:
     
  16. AboveAlpha

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    Boy....we could use that PLANK right now!!! LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha....p.s....Walk the PLANK ye skurvy fake Professor!!!
     
  17. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whilst this reply made me proper chuckle, I cant help feeling we have a plank, a proper Plank amongst us already!:wink:
    Assuming the term Plank has the same connotations in the US as it does in the UK.
     
  18. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Plank as slang in the U.K. means PENIS.

    OK....yeah...I can see where you are coming from...but can he see his own PLANK?? LOL!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  19. lizarddust

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    No,,mainly from dead plant matter. Don't you know anything?
     
  20. really?

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    I looked at the name of this thread, ,conversation with a pastor,' and think it went way off line, lol.
     
  21. cameron

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    I don't use Google/

    That are your infantile imaginations.

    In order to consider other universes, you must detect them first. So show me first your other universes and then we can talk about them..

    Computers work when you plug power to them, regardless if they are personal computers, Spy computers, Quantum computers....

    The programmers of that software are pulling your legs. Those computers are sophisticated, no doubt about it, but working because are connected to other universes? Lol, you are believing whatever crap people are telling you...

    Definitively those Quantum computers are not reliable, you better find better ones in Best Buy.

    You have wasted your money but are so arrogant to admit that your legs have been pulled... just buy new computers in Best Buy or Amazon...

    A Quantum computer exist because someone built it. They do work because power is plugged to them.

    The installed software may be used to sneak into other people's computers, like hijackers do, but there is not a single physical evidence of the existence of other universes but the physical one we live in.

    By the way, Best Buy has good sales this weekend...
     
  22. AboveAlpha

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    Pastors have PLANKS TOO!!!

    Unless they are PREISTS and have put their PLANKS out to pastor...uhhh...I mean PASTURE!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  23. really?

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    Lol, I wouldn't know ☺️
    Aren't u just a cheeky monkey!
     
  24. AboveAlpha

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    If I had posted to me what you did I think I would have to KILL MYSELF for exhibiting ignorance upon a level rarely seen!!

    You posted this to me and I quote....."That are your infantile imaginations."...end quote Cameron

    You have no knowledge whatsoever about Quantum Mechanics or Quantum Processors or Quantum Computers and Systems.

    But HEY!!! AT LEAST YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO PLUG IT IN!!!

    INFANTILE DESCRIBES THE ACTIONS OF A PERSON THAT IS SIMILAR TO THAT OF A BABY!!!

    Since your knowledge of Quantum Mechanics is the same as a NEWBORN....you have described your post accurately.

    But plug it into what?

    Do you actually think a Quantum System is something you can just PLUG INTO A STANDARD WALL RECEPTICAL???

    TRY TO AT THE VERY LEAST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE REPLYING ABOUT BEFORE TYPING SUCH IDIOCY!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    What makes you think you are evidence?
     

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