Why Zionists think they had this right to occupy Palestine?

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  1. hoorshid

    hoorshid New Member

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    I don't say that happenings was right BUT those people who their city separated from one country and attached to another now are living in their home and they are a citizen but what about Palestinian?!did U know if one of the Arab Palestinian live in another country for about 5 years he doesn't have to get back to Jerusalem-Al Qods again?!did U know many of them don't have tis right to see their family because they are not being permitted to traffic between Gaza and west bank or some other parts.
    also main issue is Palestinian terrible situation.
    A sample of the July 2nd, 2014 Twitter messages by Jews who approve of the murdering and burning of 16 year old Palestinian children".
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    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zionist_crimes
    can U explain about these:
    http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
    why non of these in your view is not terrorist activity?is not that great hypocrisy?!U really are against Hamas because of humanitarian feeling!!??then what happens for your feeling when U see what wicked Zionists did?!and still do!? when they didn't have military facilities they used explosive devices to kill Palestinians and today they have organized military so they can do that easier.

    this winter that U have been in your warm house these innocent people that U call them terrorist have lived between ruin of their houses when they have injured as a result of unjustified war when they have lost their parents , children and friends.while according to some reports more than 70% of them even didn't have any access to health water!I am not talking about good food or even drug ( which is banned ) for their injury which is result of lots of banned weapons and also 24hours/50 days bombing!I am talking about water!!and they even don't have access to to ruined hospital!
    if Hamas had some facilities like Zionists to manage a war and answer Israeli attacks like themselves then it was not terrorist group?I know these news are censored in your medias , but for your information : Zionists every some days bomb Gaza (not in war, in usual days) and kill many innocents , if Palestinian wants to fish they don't let them, they have to be close to the beach and any time they go forward answer is shooting , and it happens when Gaza is blocked and there is no permission for any sort of import ( even food or drug or construction materials for rebuilding their homes after war) ,
    http://reliefweb.int/report/occupie...-warns-rapidly-unfolding-health-disaster-gaza
    do U have any information about horrible tortures in Israeli prisons?
    did U know they sell Palestinians organs?!?have a look: http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_human_organ_harvesting
     
  2. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like the war between the Allies and the Central Powers in WW1, which resulted in the British owning Palestine and in the same sense as every other case listed being able to do what they want to do, regardless of what the locals think?
     
  3. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong again.

    Expulsions of Prussians

    Over sixteen million Germans, mostly Prussians, were kicked out of their homes. Millions were killed. Oh but yeah, that's not as bad as what's happened to Palestinians? ^_- Please, go ahead and say that.
     
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    And some have the gall to b!tch about the Confederate flag....
     
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    I find it fascinatingly ironic (and incredibly ignorant) that the Palestinian "cause" is such a favorite of the Liberals who seem to relish in using the very freedom that Palestinian groups such as Hamas deny their people. :roll:
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Possibly because Israel is the last of the European colonies to be created? Possibly because at the time the people predicted that Israel would cripple the legitimacy of the UN before it even had a chance? Possibly because the surrounding countries to Israel all objected to its creation? Possibly because very few people expected that the most oppressed and persecuted group on earth would ever turn into oppressors themselves? My opinion is that it is since 67 and the continuing occupation that causes it most, if Israel had annexed the Occupied territories and given the same rights to Palestinians as Israelis, but of course that cannot happen if Israel is to remain forever a Jewish state.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Because Jews have a history in the region going back thousands of years, and the Palestinians, mostly transplanted Arabs Don't.
     
  8. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, we saw 48' and 67', to suggest that continued opposition to Israel persists only because of it's occupation is just silly. We all know why Israel's neighbors oppose it, and it has nothing to do with occupation, occupation is merely the pretext.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Arabs have been there for more than 1,000 years
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do tell, because i'm all out of possibilities
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    So about a 1/3 as long as the Jews.
     
  12. hoorshid

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    look man as I told U I am not defending what ever evil selfish dictators did in the history.That was all wrong .but why when it is a bout Palestine every thing changes?!why what Red Army did is condemned but what Zionists did is their right?!
    also as it is clear people evacuated their homes because fear from Soviet advances.but about Palestine,to set a deadline for people in a city to evacuate their home and even in many times without such thing attacking their village and cities and kill them all in terrible way (sometimes burning , sometimes gathering them in one place and kill them all in the way ISIS does.and etc,) and then build settlements there and gather some people from many other countries to go and live in Palestinians home to establish a country and produce (!!) a nation is something acceptable in your logic?!
    also that is WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!and anyone who is trying to stop that is terrorist!!!why?!?!
    why refugee Palestinians who are living in different countries like Syria,Egypt,Jordon and etc. in CAMPS don't have this right to get back?!
    why Israeli regime can do any sort of horrible crimes , against these oppressed people is justifiable but if they try to deafened themselves and stop these massacres they are terrorist?!
    why no one should stop them and if anyone do and defend his country and people ad family is terrorist but Zionists who brought about these genocides are not?LEBANESE AND PALESTINIANS AND SYRIAN SHOULD OFFERED THEIR COUNTRY TO ZIONISTS TO BE GOOD PEOPLE?!
     
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    hoorshid New Member

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    what U wanna say?say because someone did Crimes in past years so today others can do worse?!?
    I mean crimes that happened and NOW is happening:
    - more than 2,100 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip were killed and 11,000 injured -- mostly women and children -- during Israel's 51-day Operation Protective Edge, /An estimated 460,000 people have been displaced and are now living in overcrowded conditions in schools, with relatives or in makeshift shelters/ http://reliefweb.int/report/occupie...-warns-rapidly-unfolding-health-disaster-gaza
    - Israel Using Live Ammunition for Palestinian Crowd Control / http://www.ipsnews.net/2015/03/israel-using-live-ammunition-for-palestinian-crowd-control/
    - Palestinian prisoners face slow death from freezing temperatures in Israeli jails(10 January 2015) / https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...h-from-freezing-temperatures-in-israeli-jails
    ​-Torture of Palestinian detainees by Israel soared in 2014 – report( March 08, 2015 ) / http://rt.com/news/238769-palestine-detainees-torture-israel/
    -Fifth child dies from exposure to freezing temperatures in war-torn Gaza (January 21, 2015) http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/exposure-freezing-temperatures#sthash.Lrq3WRjR.dpuf
    -IDF soldiers handcuff, blindfold 11yo mentally ill Palestinian ( October 24, 2014) / http://rt.com/news/198340-idf-detain-disabled-boy/
    -Shot in the heart’: Israeli army kills 13yo Palestinian boy( October 16, 2014) / http://rt.com/news/196640-israel-idf-kills-palestinian-boy/
    -Israel's plan to build 600 new homes in E. Jerusalem earns UN’s anger ( October 13, 2014) / http://rt.com/news/195540-israel-settlement-building-jerusalem-ban/
    -Most of the weapons that were used to kill hundreds of civilians in Gaza contained depleted uranium. They also used new weapons that even international experts were unable to figure out their types / http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/09/04/377641/israel-used-banned-weapons-on-gaza/
    -Military Expert: Israel is using three internationally banned weapons in Gaza https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...sing-3-internationally-banned-weapons-in-gaza
    -2012 - Israel builds settlements on mountains above Palestinian homes on the lower land. Israel lets its sewage run down the mountain into the Palestianian neighborhoods instead of processing it
    -July 2nd, 2014 - The 16 year old Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir was found murdered and burned in East Jerusalem. This is followed by an explosion of Twitter messages (http://en.metapedia.org/m/images/6/...f_palestinian_boy_Twitter_Brh_ihlCUAAZXyw.jpg) by Jews who approve of this murder. http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_Zionist_crimes
    -Jewish human organ harvesting was revealed by Swedish freelance journalist Donald Bostrom when he began to investigate United Nations employees concerns that Zionist Jewish soldiers snatch Palestinian children in the middle of the night, murder them, and sell their organs http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_human_organ_harvesting
    WHY ANYONE WHO TRIES TO STOP THESE IS TERRORIST?!BUT THE ONE WHO IS DOING THOSE NO!?
    pretext?!?!that is reality not pretext!Zionists Crimes is reality. humanitarian disaster in Gaza and other parts of Palestine is reality.
    If US is worried about Zionists then give them one of it's state to be their country so all these will end.
     
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    did you just compare Israeli's to all of these gentile warmongering nations?
     
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    some would argue that these jewish people are transplanted jews also. meaning, they arent real jews.
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the obvious point being that the world doesn't care so much when these gentile nations commit far worse crimes and gain land through far, far, far, far, far more dastardly ways.
     
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    Said argument is basically horse crap. Judaism is a religion as well as an ethnic group. Jews have intermarried where ever they've been have been assailed largely because of the fact that they maintained their own customs where ever they went.
     
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    maybe because Israel is supposed to be (in his eyes) the chosen people here to teach the world how to live right by example.
     
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    just because you dont agree doesnt make it horsecrap. judaism is not and ethnic group, thats some cointelpro deception. it takes less than 2 minutes to dismantle that argument.
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sarcasm, right? You're not actually saying that people around the world are more critical of Israel for its injustices than they are for far greater injustices committed by others... because they're supposed to be "the chosen people"?
     
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    The problem is the world certainly does care about all these other injustices and often does something about it. Your point is undermined by numerous examples of historical record.
     
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    its not sarcasm. what im saying is, if i compare the actions of gentiles with israelis in the sense that they are both equal, i am relegating the very principle that Israel is supposed to be a light unto the world. how can it be, when it acts the same as these warmongering gentiles. (im not actually saying they do, the gentiles are far more violent btw). am i making sense yet?
     
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    Nonsense their are plenty of Jews who are atheists and haven't set foot inside a synagogue in years, but they self identify as Jews one does not have to be born Jewish to become a member of the Jewish faith anymore than one has to be Muslim to be born a member of the Muslim faith. However one can also be a Yew and not believe at all in the Torah and think Yahweh an old wives tale to frighten naughty children. It has in short become both a religion and an ethnic identifier..
     
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    yes, this is a common belief by the racist Black Hebrew Israelite movement

    heard of them?
     

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