Iran deal- what each side won and lost

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/07/14/iran-deal-what-each-won-and-lost/30062147/

President Obama will be the first person in history to win two nobel peace prizes. He won a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for fixing the US economy and ending the war in Iraq. He will win one in 2015 for reaching a nuclear deal with Iran, and securing peace for generations to come.

 

Obama is a treasonous criminal who needs to be jail...tell me more about this fake 2009 award on what? LOL

sounds like he will go down as a bigger idiot than Clinton on North Korea

 

Obama will win the Judas Goat award for signing an agreement which leads to expanded nuclear weapons proliferation in the middle east.

 

how do you get a Nobel prized for ruining an economy?...plus this is the greatest...they want him to give it back..

.dang..why can ti past this in here..

 

Its frightening how uninformed people are isnt it?

 

He won the first one for his promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a "new climate" in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world

 

So you are for nuclear proliferation in the middle east correct?

 

How do you think Obama's killing of women and children with drones will play out in the Nobel committee's consideration for a second prize?

After all, didn't Christof Heyns, the UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings, state that those drone strikes threaten 50 years of international law and may actually constitute war crimes?

 

Or letting four Americans die in Benghazi because he thought it might hurt his election.

 

This deal is a good step forward/. But Obama hasn't done anything to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Iran got the bomb and a lot of money...BoBo got his legacy, and civilization eventually gets nuked....

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Having a nuke go off is not the path to 'peace for generations' but instead the peace of the grave....

 

It certainly is, for the cause of Islamic Jihad.

 

He got a piece of paper the Iranians will not honor, and the Iranians get a hundred billion and lifting of international sanctions. With this windfall, Iran will go weapons shopping to continue their pursuit of hegemony in the Middle East. In light of this, how long do you think it will be before the Sunni nations launch their own Nuclear programs and led by Saudi Arabia and Qatar begin to approach the Islamic State as a means of putting some boundaries around Iranian expansion?

 

No, Iran most definitely did not progress toward a nuclear weapon with this deal.

You are just flat out wrong on that.

Plus, assuming Iran would use nuclear weapons offensively is baseless.

 

If they do not honor their agreement, then the sanctions return and we're in the same place we are right now.

 

Clinton actually had VISUAL MONITORING in North Korea prior to the Shrub coming in and dismantling everything .... setting relations back and gaining NOTHING.

And since you can't refute or disprove ANYTHING IN THE LINK PROVIDED in the opening post, all you've got is sour grapes.

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Did you actually read the information contained in the link? If so, please detail how it leads to nuclear proliferation.

 

A lot of supposition and conjecture you spew here....pity that's all you've got. And since the GOP noise machine had NOTHING to offer besides staying the course (which was getting us nowhere), they're just a bunch of wet hens making noise.

 

Obama's 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was a joke and if he had the least bit of integrity he would've refused it.

 

Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize because he was black.
The war in Iraq had already ended in Iraq by the time he was sworn into office.
Obama lost all that was gained during the Bush administration as we see today with over 3,000 American troops in Iraq waging a half ass war.

But I digress

USA: It said weapons embargoes and sanctions targeting Iran's ballistic missile program and support for terrorism would remain.

Iran: Weapons embargo will remain in place for five years.

Iran wins.


USA: Sought access for inspectors to perform snap inspections anywhere nuclear work is suspected, including at military sites.

Iran: refused to allow IAEA inspectors to visit sensitive military sites, arguing that many of them are spies working for Iran's enemies.

RESULT: The deal allows inspectors to access "any site they deem suspicious," according to a fact sheet released by the White House. Iranian objections to some visits will be handled through a dispute settlement process, according to the agreement.

Iran wins.

USA: U.S. had sought to limit Iran's nuclear program for decades.

Iran had sought freedom to expand its nuclear program indefinitely within a few years.

THE RESULT: Iran agreed to limit uranium enrichment and ship its uranium fuel overseas for 10 years. It agreed to a 15-year ban on processing fuel that is close to being bomb grade, conducting uranium research outside of one processing facility, building new heavy water reactors and accumulating fuel stockpiles greater than 200 lbs. IAEA inspectors will have full access to Iran's nuclear program for 15 years, not decades.

Iran wins.

 

Just curious
Is this about n weapons
Or is this about putting iran into as small a box as possible?
If i is about n weapons
How is their ability to develop those augmented because of this agreement?
And dont tell me its the money from removing sanctions
Because n korea did it long ago without much money
And sanctions in place

Seems to me the argument is that iran is a bad actor
Who threatens israel
And our sunni buddies
And so we should ratchet up more and more sanctions
In any and every case

N weapons just being the expedient pretext for this policy

 

But but but it's free stuff.

 

Are you familiar with Game Theory? What about the Prisoner's Dilemma? Saudi Arabia, and other regional powers are now in the classic role of the prisoner.

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Does that include Democratic Senator Menendez from NJ?

 

What do you call someone who doesn't think Obama deserves a Nobel Peace Prize?

 

So let me try to understand your logic:
A: You believe that the world's primary sponsor of terror can be trusted to live up to any agreement they sign when there is no freedom for us to check any nuclear site at will.
B: You don't believe either their charter or the specific words of every Iranian leader who has stated their intention to destroy the state of Israel.
C: You don't believe that this agreement will cause every other mid-east nation to ALSO immediately begin their own nuclear weapons programs, since we've shown that the US will make no effort to stop them.

Did I miss anything?

 

Iran isn't the world's primary sponsor of terror.

We aren't "trusting" Iran. We're causing there to be more intel opportunities for us to know what they are doing. That is motivated by a LACK of trust. The whole idea here is to get inspections in place. If we trusted them, why would we be so set on doing that???

No, I do not believe Iran is going to destroy Israel. Nations are not suicidal. And, the whole world knows that we will not allow harm to Israel.

Israeli and US intel is that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon. This agreement will make it harder for them to change their mind on that without us knowing.

This idea that we're making it easier for Iran to build a nuclear weapon is total and absolute garbage.