Question to supporters of late term abortion

And when abortion is legal it imposes that view. If its legal at all stages and for any reason then it imposes the view that an individual woman can determine if her healthy, non life threatening, unborn child is worthy of life right up until birth.

I don't like planned parenthood for the same reason I don't like most of the pro choice rhetoric. Too many lies, half truths and manipulations.

And the pro life groups I mentioned do support abortion to save a womans life, because one life is better than none.

 

The moment the "Person" within her claims the rights you are giving it and manages to somehow get them placed above those of the woman it lives in....I suppose it will be protected by law. Right now however, your wish to force your opinion upon everyone else does indeed make you come off as a self important jerk.

 

My opinions aren't being forced on anyone. Abortion is legal where I am, meaning the notion that a prenate has no rights before 20 weeks gestation is being forced upon me.

Its like the non Jewish Germans living in Nazi Germany had the idea that Jews had no rights forced upon them.

 

You obviously have a hard time learning. The topic isn't Fugazi. If you need friends go to the Casual Chat for members thread.

You are personally attacking him, also reportable ...

Try again: Do you have any idea why threads have titles? That is to set the TOPIC. Do you know what a topic is? It is what is discussed in the thread.
There are different threads because there are different topics. It helps to keep the discussion relevant to the topic.

Changing the topic , as you repeatedly try to do is called being off topic and reportable. It is also thread hijacking. (Usually these 2 things are used by those who are losing the argument or have no answers to factual posts or posts they quote)

 

Moving the goal posts to suit.


That wasn't the issue.

The issue was that one person's personal experience proves nothing but that one person's personal experience.

Having a baby doesn't turn you into a scientist or a gynecologist or an obstetrician. ....and OBVIOUSLY doesn't give you knowledge of what takes place in a woman's body during pregnancy and child birth.

Using a computer doesn't make you an IT person.

Driving a car doesn't make you an expert auto mechanic.....or do you think it does?






Why are you commenting in the late term abortion thread? Have you had one?

 

Legal abortion means women can act on their own views, not the views of others.

Lies, half truths and manipulations are perpetrated AGAINST Planned Parenthood, not BY them.

 

And I think the anti-freedom conservatives will eventually try to make a pregnant woman have the baby even if it's certain to kill her and the child. Being anti-abortion is all about hating and punishing the ungodly whores who tempt men to have sex anyway and has nothing to do with the "life of the unborn", which anybody with two brain cells can see is a contradiction in terms anyway.

 

You do understand that any Hitler reference pretty much degrades your entire argument...do you not?

 

Despite being irrelevant I will respond, the issue of abortion is not actually paramount to me, what is, and as such involves the pro-life dream for abortion is state intrusion into peoples lives.

The fact that there are people who are actively lobbying for government intrusion into one of the most personal items in peoples lives leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth especially as the majority of people doing it as supposedly supporters of small government.

While abortion may be a divisive subject and a moral issue that in my opinion is not reason enough to violate peoples personal liberties, the whole foundation of the US is built upon not having the state controlling your ever move . .hell that is what the war of Independence was all about, cutting the controlling strings of the English monarchy and (supposedly) treating ALL people as equals .. it seems a lot of Americans have forgotten that.

 

What a stupid thing to say...lol
Yep, the Revolutionary War was all about equality..Obviosly that lot championed equality for women.
I am really curious about your zest regarding abortion. I wish you were more honest. Then, maybe we both could learn something.

 

In the eyes of the law it is exactly the same situation, even if the mentally incompetent person is your own off spring that does not give them the right to injure you without consent.

Rubbish, I defy you to support the assertion that the fetus is "forced" into the woman's body. I've already given you extensive information, backed up by actual citations and references that it is not the man or woman that is the instigator of pregnancy. There is only one entity that can turn a non-pregnant woman into a pregnant one and that is a fertilized ovum that implants into the uterine wall .. NOTHING else will do it.

Whether she is fully aware of the injuries is irrelevant, you are trying to suggest that implied or informed consent is binding, it is not. Both become moot the second the person, by word or action, explicitly says "no".

Using your logic a woman who implies consent to sexually intercourse cannot say no or pull away from the man and as such he has every right to continue .. in most modern societies that is called rape.

Again you miss the elephant in the room, there is no need for a person to kill or abandon a mentally incompetent child .. they have other actions they can take to elevate the situation immediately, a pregnant woman does not, furthermore and as already explained numerous times before, life threats are not the only reason for the justification in using deadly force.

 

Wrong on 2 out of 3 .. though irrelevant to the issue and breeching forum rules to boot.

My personal circumstances are nothing to do with you and are 100% irrelevant and off topic. Do it again and I shall report it.

 

You cannot even show that they are forced into the situation.

Forced - Obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power:

now explain how the fetus is forced ie "imposed by coercion or physical power" to be inside another person?

Scenario - Your child does not want to go to school, so you force them to get into the car which then crashes on the way, they die and you are injured, are you refused medical treatment because of the death of your child that you forced into the situation? Answer ... NO, you are not even held accountable for their death.

You ignored it because you cannot answer it logically, and if you did address it then please cite the comment number.

no one said they do, however you did make the comment that sex is required which is factually incorrect.

 

You original question was as follows;

I provided you with three links that do exactly what you requested, you then attempted to move the goalposts by adding further conditions as follows.

That is moving the goalposts, a fallacy. Your question was asked and answered.

moving the goalposts fallacy - Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to conceded or accept the opponent’s argument.

 

That, of course is your choice .. however that does not mean they are better informed than any other person, unless you are suggesting that all people experience the same things in the same way .. are you?

 

Yes you do that a lot.

I suggest you research your own history, or have you not heard of "No Taxation Without Representation.", and furthermore if you had actually read and understood what I had written you would have seen this -

cutting the controlling strings of the English monarchy and (supposedly) treating ALL people as equals .

I am 100% honest, the very fact that you are trying to attempt to portray me as being dishonest says more about you than it does about me.

Let me be really honest, you are not here to learn anything, you are here just to spout your opinion, opinion that, so far, has had not a single piece of supportive evidence.

 

Kind of like the words "slave" and "freeman"

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Then so do Taliban references regarding people who aren't in favor of elective late term abortion

 

No, both slaves and freemen were born.

 

But they weren't Aryan

If it meets the physical criteria, it's a baby at that point - anything else is purely arbitrary, and no different than declaring non-Aryans members of a subhuman race.

So yes, elective late term abortion is murder.

 

You make absolutely no sense to me.

 

Can you tell me more about c-sections?

 

in the 8th month if you need to remove the baby, you do so via c-section as the baby is a baby at that point and possibly viable

almost 99% of Abortions happen during the 1st tri

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In the 8th month maternal or fetal distress would be the only cause for a c-section...or premature labor of a former-section.
Otherwise labor is induced via pitocin drip. Then when a woman is fully dilated and effaced, the doc sticks something sharp through the cervix and breaks her water.
I have had two abortions and 3 kids via c-section. First child was induced because my 38 week prenatal exam showed I had a very large baby. Inducing labor rather than waiting 2-3 more weeks in which on average add a half a pound to the baby was the recommendations. That day my doc did a quick sonogram after measuring me and told me my baby was about 8.5 pounds. I was told to go home, pack a bag, and check into the hospital later that afternoon. They induced, the next day, around 24 hours later I was fully effaced and dilated. Pushed for over two hours and my eldest didn't budge. The sonogram was alost 2 pounds off, he was 10 pounds and his head circumference was in the 99th percentile.
I had both my abortions around 8 weeks. Back then there was no Morning After pill.
I really don't feel it at all necessary to promote choice or options for American women. Opposition in America is silent because it is futile. And I live in the Bible Belt.... In my world the debate ended long ago. There was some opposition and protest in the 80's, but not after.
Maybe you will share some of your personal experience regarding this topic.

 

your right, their could be many reasons to abort the pregnancy early and deliver the baby and many ways to do so

I have had two children, there for both... one was almost a c-section, but that scared the wife in to pushing harder I think

had a couple friends have an abortion, also during 1st tri..... I just think a 8th month abortion should basically be giving birth and see what happens

we have had a recent case of a teen couple where the doctor lied and said they could not have an abortion, so she had him punch her in the stomach, he was charged with murder by a crazy da, not sure how that case came out.... but we need a safe place people can go and people need to know what their choices are

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I didn't hear that story. A guy with several friends who have aborted. Hum. I have lots of friends and talking about the abortion you had at 17 and the one you had after you cheated on your spouse just never, ever come up.
I had to travel to the city to an abortion clinic for mine. The procedure isn't one you can typically get from your neighborhood family practitioner.
I looked through the yellow pages in 1993 to find the phone number for an Atlanta abortion clinic. My kids have had androids with net service since they were 8.
Google can give any American female able to read plenty of info and resources.