The Sun Says: The images we had to publish

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  1. ararmer1919

    ararmer1919 Banned

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    Once again, I repeat, IT IS A PHOTO OF A LITTLE GIRL WAVING!!! That is all. Goodbye. You are the weakest link... Ever... Of all time.
     
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    Everyone loved Hitler at one point - he was courted by all of the World leaders and the famous.

    This salute was used all over including America --- this is a 'republicans' none story.
     
  3. Sly Lampost

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    It is a little ridiculous, I agree. She was only six years old and just mimicking her family members.

    But those family members were quite ardent Nazis. And I don;t restrict this simply to the Windsors. For example, Prince George, the Duke of Kent was murdered on Churchill's orders in a contrived aircraft accident because he was flying to sign a peace treaty with Hitler in 1942. He was also a member of the Right Club, but you'll not find his name in the book published circa 2011 of the so called membership list. Nor numerous other members of the aristocracy and British elite either.

    Also, Prince Phillip, the Duke of Edinburgh's two sisters were married to senior aides of Himmler in the SS.

    The bottom line is that the royal family and the elite in the UK heavily favoured Hitler and National Socialism, as this equalled harsh state control of the citizenry along with the state favouring big business in all things. Much like we are seeing emerge today.
     
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    So blind it hurts. She was mimicking her elders, not waving.

    What we need here is some objectivity and facts.

    Edward VIII, later the Duke of Windsor after his abdication, was also pro Hitler. I have posted elsewhere on this thread about other members of the royal family who favoured Nazism.

    This was very well known in the UK in past decades, although it was generally was kept out of the newspapers as usual when it comes to royal controversies. But a number of decent books and TV documentaries have covered this ground thoroughly.
     
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    You evidently don't even know what fascism is.

    Fascism - a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.

    Sounds more like Russia.
     
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    How much is the Kremlin paying you to spread bull(*)(*)(*)(*) around the Internet?
     
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    meanwhile the Brits fought the Nazis, alone..while Russia was aiding them.
     
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    Oh dear, Ronstar is having a bad facts day and can't bring himself to remember rudimentary WWII history in his rush to hate all things Russian.

    Fighting the Nazis, besides we Brits were France, Poland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and with governments and/or military in exile in the UK consisting of Czechoslovakia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Norway. This is not an exhaustive list but it gives a flavour of the reality Ronstar is unable or unwilling to grasp.
     
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    It doesn't sound like Russia at all. Which if it demonstrates anything it is that evidently it is you who don't know the definition of fascism which is as follows:

    As you'll be scratching your head and frowning about the meaning of this, the clue for you to focus on are the words "right-wing system of government".

    That'll be your home nation.
     
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    FACT: from 1939 to 1941, Russia was Germany's key ally.

    while the Nazis were bombing Britain.
     
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    Must be why Russia is wooing right wing groups in the EU.

     
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    It appears that you know very little about your own history. Nazis would've never got into power without direct help from their U.S friends. Every day you learn something Ronnie. :wink:


    How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar


     
  13. Sly Lampost

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    <Rule 3>

    FACT: From 1939 to 1941

    The US who was our principal and natural ally sat on the sidelines for 2 years - largely because of the many business elite in the US who favoured and financed Hitler's Nazis - whilst enjoying the delights of peace and plentitude and raking in billions of dollars selling the UK often outdated and rusting ships and other essential war materiel to the point of bringing the UK to actual bankruptcy.

    While Nazi Germany was bombing the UK nightly and sinking millions of tonnes of shipping by u-boat sorties.

    But, of course, this was part of the US plan to bring the Brits to indebtedness so that its empire could simply be absorbed into the new American empire so that the US could conquer the world for ever and ever.

    One might argue about who needs enemies when you have friends like that.
     
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    But Western countries have begun to make friends with Hitler much earlier. Including - Poland. ... By the way, Stalin no did a Nazi salute.

    P/S:
    Videos for your enjoyment.

    [video=youtube;3pvXRl21lB8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pvXRl21lB8[/video]
     
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    Did not it see the video?

    By the way. "Goodbye." - it's wrong. You need to write - "Do svidaniya." ...You Get used
     
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    Neither have I yet you hate me because of the nominal part of the world I happened to be born in.

    Pretty much every part of the world has some elements of unpleasant history (ancient and modern), Russia being no exception. That's no reason to hate generic regions of the planet and certain not the people who happen to be living in them.
     
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    You have to read the article. Salute - an external attribute. In fact, the article says about the love of the English crown directly to Hitler and his ideology.
    And for example, Churchill showed great commitment to the Nazi ideals in India. When the British killed (Holodomor) several million Hindi.
     
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    I think the weak blame others. If you don't have the courage to revolt against an oppressive government, you deserve to be enslaved.
     
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    I've already had this deleted once and I could see no reason for it, although it seemed to be for personal attacks - like the trolls don't do that all the time. But live and learn I guess.

    So your argument about Russia wooing right-wing groups in the EU is a bit one-sided don't you think when the US allies itself with the Ukraine that uses neo-Nazis groups there, particularly those who have reinvented themselves after the notoriously cruel 14th Waffen SS Grenadier Division (Galicia) who, for example, burned alive women and children in villages and which numbered amongst its ranks several war criminals sought out by the allies post WWII.

    And, of course, they were recruited in bulk by the allies, notably the British (over 7,000 of them), to fight against the Soviet Union in the cold war.

    And a senior commander of the Division, Michael Karkoc, lived to a ripe 94 years of age in Minnesota.

    So, if you're going to point the finger at Russia for its nazis then at least have the decency to be equally honest and recriminate the US and the UK for helping 40,000 of the very worst SS and nazi leadership escape along the Vatican run Ratlines (not to mention recruiting them for dirty work in the cold war.)
     
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    I hate you for what you were born in the UK? Very funny. I pity you. With such taxes as you have, you can only feel sorry. How much are utilities such as London? (For example, in Moscow, utilities (gas, electricity, water, sewer, telephone, internet, payment for home repairs, yard maintenance fees, etc.) are on average 100 -150 dollars a month.)

    By the way. It You call "a normal part of the world"?

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    Britain has long been not empire. Get used to the idea.

    In addition, if you believe that all countries have dark spots in the history of why you (the West) impose their way of life around the world?
     
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    Oh look another molehill to be blown up into a "scathing" (loosely defined) indictment of the "west" from one of our resident Russian Champions.
     
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    There's not a lot of difference an you're certainly being very aggressive for "pity".

    No, I said "nominal". Your lumping of the whole of "the West" in to a single (bad) entity is ridiculous. There is as much variety across whatever you might consider "the West" as there is between it an Russia. Again, there is good, bad and indifferent in every nation across every part of the world.

    "The West" doesn't. Some individual and groups in "the West" do (or would like to) but the same is true of some individual and groups in Russia. I personally believe such imposition is wrong regardless.
     
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    You don't get it do you?. Those who bomb nations and kill people are the ones filled with hatred as well as arrogance, not those who are being bombed and killed. He is a Russian, and they are not bombing or killing anyone.

    As a matter of fact the ones who are killing the Russians in Ukraine, are being helped by the same nations who are supplying the terrorists in Syria and Iraq to kill Orthodox Christians, Alawites, Shias, etc. So if there is anyone who should hate them, it should be the Russians....but they don't. Disgusted maybe with the lies and hypocrisy coming out of the Western world and its media, but not hatred. If they did hate we would be in WWIII right now.
     
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    I have news for you, the British didn't care for the lives of their own men and you expect them to care for others? A pilot in WWI was ready to face the firing squad because he didn't save his machine gun when his plane was shot down by the Germans. I don't know how true the following is, but I read that when parachutes were invented, the British officers didn't want to give them to the men for fear they would ditch the plane unnecessarily.
     
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