Poll: Hillary Clinton's lead shrinks among Democrats

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  1. NothingSacred

    NothingSacred Active Member

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    LOL! Obama is a RIGHT OF CENTER MODERATE! He's in WALL STREET'S pocket! LOL! He'd be considered a CONSERVATIVE in any of the NORMAL countries around the world. They said he was a socialist, so I VOTED FOR HIM, because I WANTED A SOCIALIST to CHANGE the USA, but then he ends up changing nothing and keeps the USA the same by continuing RIGHT WING MODERATE policies.
     
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    CausalityBreakdown Banned at Members Request

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    Horizontal organization. Manage things through egalitarian arrangements with no form of hierarchy. If someone tries to establish hierarchy, they'll be stopped by all of those who loathe coercion.
     
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    Yea? and that is impossible.... The mere concept of "manage" contradicts anarchy.

    Anarchy is impossible - it cannot exist true to it's meaning.

    Any form of socialism is and always will require at minimum an authoritarian government which contradicts your whole anarchy agenda.

    Also, since you're an anarchist why the hell do you adhere to progressive politics anyway? you do realize the government can never get too big for progressives? the progressive philosophy contradicts your anarchy philosophy.
     
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    CausalityBreakdown Banned at Members Request

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    Anarchy isn't a lack of order, it's a lack of hierarchy.

    I consider myself a progressive because I'm a big believer in the idea that treating people badly because of the circumstances of their birth is wrong. I want bigotry to be socially unacceptable. Progressivism != Bureaucracy
     
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    Anarchy IS the lack of government, law, order and authority....

    You have zero standards, you obviously have no idea what anarchy means and you turn around and adhere to fascist authoritarian progressive philosophy which contradicts the mere premise of anarchy....

    Even if you believe people are oppressed you as an alleged anarchist are in no position to do anything about it because it would contradict your anarchist ideals - meaning government shouldn't be invoved.... And as a libertaran myself I would agree with that...

    If you believed in true justice and limited or no government one would think you would side with libertarians rather than the fascist progressives.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sanders isn't a serious candidate, the DNC has been at war with rich, old, white men since Mondale. Even though they have mastered double standards and hypocrisy, the DNC cannot sell Sanders for long, it would only result in low turn out, it will take them years to rebrand themselves to allow an old, rich, white male any shot at the White House...
     
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    CausalityBreakdown Banned at Members Request

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    Libertarianism is neo-feudalist nonsense that leads to wage slavery and a more powerful ruling class. Libertarians don't oppose the ruling class, they just want to privatize them.

    Furthermore: You're so busy trying to read into what I'm saying to find a conspiracy that you're outright ignoring my descriptions of my own beliefs, and then you're confused about what I believe.
     
  8. MrNick

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    Libertarians DO oppose the "ruling class" - the class that has actual power to legislate (the government)... However I'm sure the "ruling class" to you is anyone who has more than you do....

    In reality your whole philosophy is "no fair people have more than I do - lets create a fascist government to redistribute wealth and pretend we're not fascists"...
     
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    In libertarianism, there's basically nothing stopping the bourgeoisie from walking all over the working class as much as they want.
     
  10. MrNick

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    Really? and how do they plan on doing that considering capitalism itself would prevent it?

    You do realize wealth is not FINITE. Yeah, that is the problem with you socialists you actually believe wealth is finite when it isn't and the purpose of capitalism is to create wealth not sustain....Why do you think socialism fails? because the purpose of socialism is to sustain NOT grow.
     
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    Sanders isn't a rich old white man. He is white, but isn't rich, one of the few in the senate who isn't.

    <Rule 2>

    The most successful nations of the world, in regards to the majority that live in such nations, are democratic socialist. A hybrid which still uses capitalism, but uses it not to send the income to the top. You know, the way we did it when we created the largest middle class in history, as was the envy of the world. We are not doing that now, and for the reason Sanders has laid out, which is just good common sense principles. <Rule 2> the only way a consumption based economy can provide jobs to keep the people off of welfare, is for those people to make what they consume, and supply all of the services. The GOP with Clinton's help changed this, so that the rich might get richer. Has nothing to do with the capitalism we practiced when we expanded our middle class, in fact, it is doing the opposite...by not allowing us to make what we consume. So, we lost the primary engine of job creation, and sanders wants it back.
    <Rule 2>
     
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    Yes those europeans are on the lunatic leftist fringe and see neo-socialist progressives as conservative, but not in America.
     
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    your right, unless a president has a filler buster proof majority in congress for the entire 4 years, they will not get everything they want, just not happening
     
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    In case you haven't noticed from the entirety of post-feudal history, capitalism allows you to rig the game in your own favor if you get to the top fast enough.

    I would call this pseudoeconomics, but economics itself is a pseudoscience. It's pseudopseudoscience. Quasiscience? pseudoscience^2?
     
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    By the time the primaries are over with Greece should be in total chaos with food shortages and riots and all the republican candidates will need to do is point to Greece and tell the voter this is what you will get if you elect a socialist

    there are to many recent failures of socialist nations for the moderates to ever vote for one here in the US
     
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    The poor, pitiful old hag is going to lose again. And thankfully, she's too old and missing too many brain cells to ever run again.
     
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    The only way the "game" can ever be rigged is via government..... The government picks and chooses winners and losers which is something the free market decides in a true capitalist society.....

    Capitalism wouldn't be effective without competition and who limits competition? thats right the federal government....

    All the problems you have with the capitalist model are created by government - not the economic model.

    Since you claim to be an anarchist and should hate government is much as I do - how can you not see the problem here is government - not economics?
     
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    :roflol:

    You haven't worked in corporate America for very long, have you?
     
  19. MrNick

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    I have been around the block several times....

    You going to finally admit that most progressives are socialists who have little understanding of economic models and how they work?

    The progressive economic arguments aren't even justified - many only have an child-like understanding of economics....

    Those clowns at OWS should have been protesting the White House NOT Wall Street.
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure that antitrust laws were written just because. There was no reason for it at all. Nope. Can't think of a single incident of a business engaging in unethical behavior that reduced the ability of others to compete.

    Hey, remember that time that Capitalists stopped employing children in life threatening work environments because of good old fashioned free market competition?

    Neither can I.
    I have never seem this claim validated.

    You don't get it. Government is just another form of hierarchy. Capitalism is also a form of hierarchy. I'm opposed to all hierarchy.
     
  21. Yosh Shmenge

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    The more people see Hillary the more they reject her.
     
  22. Dispondent

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    His net worth is over $300,000 that makes him one of the 1%, which makes him an old, rich, white guy. Just because he's not very good at being rich doesn't make him poor...

    http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/04/30/17261/12-things-know-about-bernie-sanders
     
  23. TheTaoOfBill

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    Hillary is 40 points ahead of her competition. She'll have to drop 10 points a month relative to Bernie Sanders for him to even have a shot of winning the first string of primaries. It's not happening.
     
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    Do you mean his income is 300,000? Because 300,000 networth isn't that impressive. You need a networth of 8 million to be in the 1%. If his networth is 300,000 he's no where close.
     
  25. Brewskier

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    They're not going to go with Sanders, so if it looks like he's going to get the lead on Hillary, expect them to send in Al Gore.
     

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