Would you vote for bernie sanders? If yes why?

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  1. USfred

    USfred Newly Registered

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    It's no suprise that the honest bernie sanders is seeing a spike in the polls and gathering huge crowds in his rallies, I see his speech and he seems very inspirational to me, the point I want to get across is does anyone else feel the same way? If yes tell me what inspires you about bernie? And if there are any problems you see in bernie mention them if any
     
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    Sanders voted to keep funding the UN for their population control policies.

    Now if you think that letting the UN tell you how many children you can have then by all means, Barry Sanders is your guy.
     
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    "Honest" Bernie Sanders- too funny

    Do you think we'll ever hear how much he's being paid to run his faux campaign?

    This is the most exposure the guy has ever had and his payday will make him comfortable as he heads off into the sunset.
     
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    Yes, ....however, "inspiration " doesn't for it for me, facts do it for me and he presents them. AND he isn't part of the Bush/Clinton Family(it's one family, not two).... a huge plus.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    No, hes a socialist failure
     
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    As much as I like Bernie, a vote for him is a wasted vote. I do find it interesting that his message seems to be resonating with millennials. Thirty years of living under supply side economics* will do that you.

    * Or voodoo economics as old man Bush famously, and correctly, called them before he got that good, old-time GOP religion.
     
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    Unless the dark stars allign and I am forced to pick between him and say....Trump, Cruz, Rubio, or even Walker.....he would not get my vote.
     
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    This current crop of Republic candidates makes Richard M. Nixon look like Benjamin Disraeli.
     
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    Somebody needs to. It's a an unfortunate truth. Nobody wants to hear it because nobody wants to believe overpopulation is a problem, but it most certainly is. People can recognize it when we're talking about animal populations but apparently not with people.
     
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    I would think that the same people who are concerned about overpopulation would want to limit the amount of immigrants we take in from the Hispanic 3rd world. But they don't.
     
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    I would vote for Bernie IF I were a gun-grabbing, baby-killing socialist intolerant of Christian values and traditions.

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    Obama makes Richard Nixon look like Jesus Christ.
     
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    If everyone did that, because it is a wasted vote, it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy that he cannot win. I vote for the person I believe has the right ideas. And he has them. For if he does not win, and Clinton or Bush wins, nothing changes folks, and we will continue down the toilet, unless you are an elite who will only get richer.
     
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    Then do not indulge in hypocrisy and accept your social security, nor your medicare, nor unemployment when you lose your job. The right calls FDR a socialist too, but he saved capitalism, which is what Sanders would do too. For given how it is being used today, it will implode, and then you run a risk of real socialism, not a mixed capitalism and socialism which is what the world uses today.

    Capitalism as being practiced now by the elites which the gov't allows because the elites own gov't, does not create middle classes. It creates a few rich, allows a sliver of a middle class, with most being working poor if it is allowed to continue on. If that is what you want, for you think you will be in that tiny sliver then go for it. Vote GOP or Clinton, for both will give you that.
     
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    Perot tried to tell us what would happen with the GOP's free trade. No one listened. Sanders is trying to do that again, after free trade has removed our job creation engines, by offshoring it, and if you do not listen this time, then enjoy your kids and grandkids being working poor. For what is going on now, will finish off the middle class. A small one will be left, but most will not be in it. That is just the fact if you have the brains to see where the status quo inevitably leads. I think we are not smart enough to see it. And it is a very simple thing. If we are not allowed to make what we consume, as our economy is consumption based, we can never employ enough of our own people. FACT. And you cannot weasel out of it. It is a LAW. But no one has the intelligence to see it. Unless of course, most of our people are employed by the gov't. Every private sector job involves making consumption. But if you allow MNCs to make that consumption in slave labor areas, americans simply will not have enough jobs. It is a fact.

    I am old and will be dead. But the younger people in this nation are (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. Unless you stop the status quo from going forward. For what we are doing today with this incoherent economic model will destroy the ability of most in this nation to thrive. And you cannot get out of it, unless you change what is causing us not to thrive.
     
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    Actually, it is 100 years under progressive ideology so that now the millennials think government is supposed to take care of you.
     
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    Simple rubbish. It was under progressive thinking that helped to create history's largest most prosperous middle class. What has Neoliberal thinking since 1981 created? The destruction of that middle and the devastation of the working class. For we allowed the GOP with the help of Clinton corporate democrats to offshore our greatest treasure, our engines of job creation.

    You guys on the right are clueless. You cannot understand the basic mathematical fact, that if you do not allow your own population to make what they consume in a consumption based economy, there can never be enough jobs. Which drives people to safety nets, and then you right wingnuts blame this on the people who have to go on those nets. The hypocrisy here can only be found on the right side, the people who do not understand what neoliberalism from the GOP beginning in 81 and then with Clintons corporate democrats joining in, has created. Has not a thing to do with progressivism but the death of FDR progressivism. Which beginning in 81 the GOP neoliberals set out to destroy. Well, what you see today in America with 100 million never having a living wage job again is the results of that. Perot tried to tell us, but the American idiots were not smart enough to understand. They got punked by the GOP, and then a shaft the size of my leg shoved up their asses, without the benefit of some Vaseline. And then today these same people with a leg up their ass, are screaming for it to be shoved deeper. Because they have been brainwashed to think it is good for them. LOL.
     
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    Bernie Sanders is an enigma.

    Millennials as a rule, not all but most, support Palestine and view Israel as the aggressors. This doesn't mean they are anti-semetic, if means they view Palestine as the victims. By the way, Palestinians are semites...before the anti-defamation league comes after me for stating all this.

    Sanders, a man who lived in a kibbutz in Israel at one time, seems to have won them over. His rhetoric about a free education and wealth redistribution seems to transcend his overtly pro-Israel policy should he actually win the Presidential election.
     
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    If Sanders is remembered for anything, (and I hope not) it will be for giving away the election that could have stopped the first true American Fascists from coming to power. As things stand, 2016 is liberal's to win, but he could very well lose it for us if it's closer than expected and that will be catastrophic, as these Republicans are truly dangerous to freedom, and will not let power go if they ever get ahold of it.

    Sanders is right on everything but Free Trade, and that is a small problem IMO, easily remedied by other means. I do truly wish he had a chance, or this election wasn't so vital; but he doesn't and it is, so he should drop out. Hillary may or may not implement some of his ideas, but at least the debate on those ideas will still be allowed if she is the winner. NO debate on anything but which guns are better to kill "thugs" will be allowed under her opponents
     
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    Manufacturing made the middle class, not progressive taxation and redistribution of wealth.
     
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    There are a lot of reasons not to vote for Bernie and I don't think he'll be a serious contender. Sort of like Trump.

    But I wanted to maybe put you at ease here. Now if someone really wants isolationism they can go out in the woods and be a middle class of one and see how much fun that is. While that's an extreme, it's the same idea more broadly. Our lifestyle is leveraged by huge amounts of cheap labor abroad. And there isn't any fundamental "It is a LAW" type reason why would couldn't have high paying high skilled jobs over here and leave the crappy manual labor to other parts of the world. We've already come much of the way there.

    And in any case if a high school dropout can do it then a robot probably can as well. So it's pretty much a sure thing that the middle class of the future isn't going to be composed of assembly line workers.

    I'll grant that we have a trade deficit, and it would be wise to address that. However that would best be handled with a wiser approach than trade isolationism.
     
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    YES- Feisty old man with socialist values. Hillary is a packaged product.
     
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    The why do you support the party that created NAFTA and TPP?*

    *Clinton and Obama did or will sign both trade agreements, but both were written and sponsored by republicans. I believe Clinton already did his mea culpa, and I suppose Obama will too after retirement.
     

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