Matriarchs and Submissive Women

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  1. ibshambat

    ibshambat Banned

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    Ayn Rand said that the woman's nature was “hero worship” and that the matriarchs were “unnatural.” It is interesting to see this coming from a woman who wrote her own ticket, never had children and always insisted on absolute personal freedom for herself. It is also intersting to see Queen Victoria – a matriarch who, as a single woman and an absolute monarch, was living the feminist dream – describe feminism as a “wicked folly.”

    I believe in personal freedom; and that means, first of all, the freedom to choose one's lifestyle. A woman who wants to serve a man should be able to do so. And a woman who doesn't want to serve the man should be able to live that way as well.

    Is the matriarch unnatural? Queen Mary Medici of Italy was a matriarch; and she was an instrumental figure in moving Europe from the Middle Ages into the Renaissance. Queen Elizabeth I of England was also a matriarch; and she turned England from a feudal backwater into a great global civilization. Both of these matriarchs have been instrumental into creating the Western civilization as we now know it. And a person who pledges allegiance to the Western civilization will recognize this and treat women accordingly.

    If you are a Western man who wants a submissive woman, I suggest you leave alone the independent-minded women and go for women who want to serve. There are plenty of these around the world; and a Western man is in these situations at the position of absolute advantage. There are all sorts of submissive women in Middle East, Latin America and Eastern Europe who would do anything to come to a Western country and marry a Western man. You do not need either to chase or to attack the independent-minded Western women; you have before you the pick of the world.

    When left to their own devices, people will choose situations that work the best for them. And this will reward those who have the most to offer. A responsible Western man will be able to attract, and benefit from the attention of, all sorts of good women from around the world who will want him. And a beautiful, submissive woman from Iran or Brazil will be able to not only improve her condition by being with such a man, but also give him a better life than he stands to have with a feminism-influenced Western woman.

    Doing this will create an arrangement that will work for everyone. The independent-minded Western women will have their independence; the Western men who want women to serve them will have women who want to serve them; and the women from elsewhere in the world will have a chance at a better life. Both the feminists and the traditionalists will be happy. True liberty – meaningful choice of lifestyles – will be achieved. And both the women who want to be matriarchs and the women who want to practice hero worship will have their way.
     
  2. Nanninga

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    You mix up several points which are not really related with each other ... from scratch

    1. A matriarch is nothing unnatural. Different people have different traits. Maybe at average the lust for power and dominance is different with men and women, but there is no doubt that there are women who have the will power as well as the gifts, the luck and the abilities they need to get into charge.

    2. I doubt that personal traits are formed in that manner you suggest by cultural values. Submissive and dominant behaviour as well as all the grey tones in between those black and white extremes are to some degree determined by our genes. For men as well as for women.

    3. The industrialization made pure physical strenght less important than it was once. I think its a natural development that women more and more get into the job market as the spectrum of jobs grows which women can fulfill as good as a man. Although it can lead to a growing self consciousness and to the necessity to take more responsibility all these western women are not necessarily feminists.

    4. In every relationship, which is based on love and respect the dominant partner takes more of the responsibility as well. Everyone who obeys and serves you does expext something from you. You make it sound very easy to find the right partner if you just watch out for non-western women as a man.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    I don't think there is a contradiction between Rand's life and her ideas on women's nature. In her books her women protagonists are smart, strong, and independent...and want a man who is even more so.

    I think you are confused by the term matriarchy. As applied to an actual culture or society, they are extremely rare. Queen Elizabeth I was a monarch, not a matriarch, and she ruled over a society that was extremely patriarchal.
     
  4. Tosca1

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    May seem like a match made in heaven between western man and women from other countries, but there's the cultural differences to consider.
    That's a big issue.

    Also, some women know how to get their own way by seeming "submissive." These women from other countries may not be submissive after all.....they just have their own way of dealing with their men.

    I know of a Filipino woman (married to a Filipino man), who rules in her household. I worked with a Filipino man and apparently some Filipino men are literally afraid of their wives' ire.

    Anyway, feminism is everywhere. Even in those countries. And once the western man brings his foreign wife into this western world....she could just as easily become westernized herself and be among the feminists this man tried to avoid in the first place.

    Communication and keen observation is definitely a must, so you'll have an idea what to expect down the road should you marry a person.
     
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    Tosca1 Well-Known Member

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    Some women just have that knack in making a husband to heel, or in getting their own way without getting into a big fight. It's an art.
     
  6. MRogersNhood

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    Aw man..they all do the same schtick.
    F'rinstance:
    If you come home and she has your favorite meal ready to eat..prepare yourself..
    There will be a request for something big afterwards.
    and no..not that :roll: Something material..or you have to accompany her somewhere that you probably loathe and she knows it..something like that
    or a special chore ...whatever it is,it won't be good,ever!
     

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