I am trying to see if someone of Left leaning ideology can explain to me why liberals and progressives constantly defend the actions of Islam when they are the very people that Islamist would hunt down and destroy first? It seems contradictory to just about everything you stand for. Women's rights? Not under Islam. Gay rights? Just the right to hang. Freedom from religion? Submit or die infidel. By all means explain to me why progressives fiercely defend people who would gladly kill you.
is this a serious question? leftists are murdered in the middle east all the time, we view right wing christians and right wing muslims as two sides of he same coin and you and alqueada too be the same group. we don't "defend islam" thats ridiculous, we fight against racists and bigots on both sides, if you were in the middle east we would be defending you against jihadists who want too cut your head off because of irrational fear, the same way we defend muslims in america against right wing Christians who want too cut their head off because of their irrational fears. and all you guys do is say "our psychopaths are better than theirs so we have the right too kill them all" which is nonsense did muslims commit genocide in australia, colonize north and south america through slavery and rape, exterminate 12 million people in the holocaust? ISIS so far has killed less people in America than refrigerators, so other than your own personal xenophobia, bigotr,y and racism why do you hate muslims so much? personally i would like it if all extremist racist Christians and all extremist racist muslims just killed each other, so the rest of us could move on with our lives
The main reason is because Islam is a minority religion that is practiced mainly by non-white minorities. Islam opposes Western capitalism and Christianity, so they have mutual enemies. The rich, white, educated, elite, New England type progressive is a demographic that is always in search of an intimidating ally. That's why they embrace gangster rappers, gangbangers, Muslims, "radicals" who are willing to go to jail or blow stuff up, etc. All of these groups have a certain image that the "elite" group can use in their war against conservatives. They like knowing that they have groups in their ranks willing to do the dirty work to advance their agenda. The elite would rather talk about how educated and noble they are. The non-white progressive group simply sees another disenfranchised non-white minority group that they can ally with against whites.
You kind of went off on your own tangent there a bit. I don't really have a very religious background. My dislike for Islam can be summed up as simply they can't get along with any other culture where they migrate to. Buddhism and Christianity have lived side by side in many countries peacefully. Hinduism and Christianity the same. But throw Islam next To any of the three and all the sudden is a major problem. But your making this about me and imposing Christian beliefs I don't really have. The question is why do you support Islam and defend it when it so clearly is against everything you stand for?
again im not defending islam, i do apologize for presuming your an extremist christian, but it's sort of like asking "why should women be allowed too vote", just asking the questions indicates something negative about you Islam existed peacefully for thousands of years with many religions, chritians jews, zoroatrians, the middle east is the most culturally/religiously diverse region in the world. chritians murdered literally every racial and religous group on planet earth, you want ask about buddhists? south korea vietnam and laos all suffered massacres at the hands of the british because they were buddhists. what did the muslims do to japanese? because chritians nuked them, what about tribal religions in africa and the americas? because christians killed hundreds of billions of them, what about the jews, besides being upset about the state of israel, Muslims never did anything to them, chritians almost wiped them off he planet. in fact name one counry on earth where Christians didn't commit mass murder, but a couple towers get destroyed and a few CIA agents get their head cut off and christians jump right back on their high horse about how much better they are then everyone else in the world. just so you know im an atheist
Good question. I am a progressive, but I've been making the exact same point to other progressives. I particularly find it ridiculous that the feminists defend the most aggressively misogynistic ideology on the planet.
I agree the World would be a helluva lot better place if these jesus freak Christians and Radical Muslims were thrown in a huge field and just go kill for kill, no guns, knives just legs and arms and mano a mano.. My money would be on the Muslims to prevail Easily..
Come on don't take the easy road out. The question is how do you reconcile progressive liberal ideology with defense of a Islam which stands for precisely the opposite of what you stand for. For the record I am not advocating ethnic cleansing. I simply think we should take the Japanese approach and just not even let them Into our country anymore. Nobody needs to die over it. Just say no More to Islamic immigrants
So essentially your argument is tit for tat between Christians and Muslims on things that happened historically. Okay well that's one way to look at it. Justified behavior based on past Events.
One problem with your logic, friend. Christianity evolved. Jews evolved. All other religions have evolved, except islam. Islam has not evolved. Look at the pope for example, he might be more progressive than Obama. Islam hasn't budged. Can you tell me how many times a week there is a Christian suicide bomber? Because we can give you the statistics on a WEEKLY basis for those that blow themselves and innocent children up in the name of Allah.
Saudi Arabia arrested 431 ISIS supporters in Arabia last week who were divided into two groups.. One group to prepare suicide bombers and the other group to make the bombs. Fortunately, most Muslims are opposed to these crazy renegades. - - - Updated - - - Saudi Arabia arrested 431 ISIS supporters in Arabia last week who were divided into two groups.. One group to prepare suicide bombers and the other group to make the bombs. Fortunately, most Muslims are opposed to these crazy renegades.
Good. Maybe one day they'll let women show their faces in public, or drive a motor vehicle. No? Well one can always hope.
Modesty is a cultural thing.. I don't think they can be forced to give it up.. and purdah goes back thousands of years.
Lol. Sticking up for modern day slavery. Well done. You didn't even address the driving aspect of KSA's slavery policies. Why aren't women allowed to drive? Simple question.
I think you're assumption needs a little clarification first. What are "actions of Islam" and in what ways do people "constantly defend" them? I suspect the kind of thing you're thinking of is objection to any and all Muslims being condemned (and worse) for the actions of an extreme minority.
Slavery was abolished in KSA in 1952 with a ten year window so that elderly slaves could not be simply turned out.. Women in Arabia can't drive because there is no roadside assistance or facilities for women.. Years ago there just weren't any cars or roads ... very rare. But, Bedouin women have been driving trucks with sand tires for many decades. - - - Updated - - - Correct... Purdah predates Islam.........
Why would there be roadside assistance for men, and not for women? That's not the women's problem. What do you even mean by "road side assistance for women?" Like, a tow-truck? That has nothing to do with gender. Please clarify your attempt to stick up for NOT ALLOWING women to drive.
Purdah means that women should be separate and protected.. There aren't any female tow-truck drivers..
That's not a woman's problem. A male can tow her car and she can stay in her car, while he stays in the tow truck. This is 2015, not 1645. A woman can do whatever she wants. So can a gay man. Just because the Saudis have had bigoted policies in the past, doesn't mean they can't change.
" A fair question to ask. Let me see if I can clarify my point for you. Liberal ideology at its core is a champion of civil rights, women rights, gay rights, minority's rights, etc. that is their selling point. It's why you receive the minority vote more often then not. Islam has more in common with conservative ideology then liberal progressive ideology. A scary thought to be sure but they are some extreme that even the most moderate conservative is pretty repelled by the ideology of Islam. My question is knowing that Islam is anti everything that liberal progressive ideology stands for, how are you not even more so opposed to Islam then conservatives? How do you reconcile liberal core values with defending Islam? Btw to everyone who called me a Christian extremist or nazi you are intellectually lazy and did really answer the question. Stop making this about me that is deflection and you know it.
You didn't really clarify the specific statements I questioned about the "actions of Islam" and people "constantly defending" them. Islam is a concept and concepts can't take actions. People take actions which can be inspired by concepts but that will vary massively. And while there are plenty of actions inspired by Islam that are detestable, I'm not convinced there are actually many people you would label "liberal" who actually defend those actions, certainly no more than similar actions inspired by other concepts are defended elsewhere. Frankly I think this is the core of the problem here. You're focusing too much on concepts and ideologies rather than individual human beings. You have a whole set of things that makes up "liberal" and anyone who you think is demonstrating any of them in any single example is instantly painted with that label and all of the other things you're associated with it (largely negatively from your point of view). I think you're doing something similar with "Islam" too despite it being a diverse over-arching religion (set of religions really) practiced in massive range of different forms. A very good point slightly weakened by the fact it's added to a post where you addressed your questions for "liberals" to me personally.
