Is there a rift between the US and Europe over Ukraine?

Unequivocally there is a rift, yes.

The following short Youtube clip of John Kerry speaking reveals the embarrassing truth. Europe want to trash the sanctions against Russia and it is only the US that keeps them in place.

For me this off tangent revelation by Kerry (he was speaking about the Iran deal) is very telling.

[video=youtube;7YQ57XACqQQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YQ57XACqQQ[/video]

 

Kerry, as usual, shows not to be a great Secretary of State, similar matters should remain internal affairs, internal to the Alliance. NATO is compact in sustaining the strategy decided and run by the White House. Period.

Then, just to discuss about the matter, it's true that in some European environments the Ukrainian crisis has seen as a local question which shouldn't affect so deeply the EU - Russia relations [overall economical relations] and despite what in Russia and somewhere else it's generally guessed, it's the German environment [regardless Frau Merkel rhetoric] to see the major opposition to the sanctions. But we cannot deny that also in French and Italian environments those sanctions are judged "annoying".

 

I'm no fan of Kerry, but he has always been outspoken. He was the only one in Congress who had the courage to break the narcotics aspect of Iran-Contra. Besides that I think it refreshing that he spoke out like that about the rift about sanctions. But as a secretary of state - i.e., a diplomat where bare-faced lying is the order of the day, then I agree he doesn't make what many would judge to be a good Sec. of State.

For me it is now evident (except to the wilfully blind) that the Ukraine war was and is a wholly US manufactured crisis designed to set Putin back on his heels and to demonstrate to him the reach of US power.

 

Don't worry, as long Merkel run Germany sanctions will stay and probably became more strong.
Merkel serves only American Interests, therefore she will silence any protest against sanctions.
Both Germany and Europa are nothing for Merkel. After she finally completely ruin Germany and Europa sometimes in twenty years she will immediately leave destroyed country and fly home - to the U.S.

 

Well, "Merkel" is one thing, but the European Central Bank is another -- and it and the IMF are the REAL forces in this "sanctions" thing against Russia. German businessmen have never been in favor of these sanctions which only suppress business and harm the German economy at a time when Germans and other "Northern Europeans" need valuable trading partners. Germans have just gotten through having to give into the Greek Socialists (AGAIN!), as I predicted months ago. The Germans simply want to do what Germans are best at -- doing business and making money, instead of just shoveling out endless bailouts and "rescues" to a bunch of socialist, welfare-sucking bums.

Here in the States, the corollary to the ECB is, of course, its Siamese-twin brother -- the Federal Reserve System, which runs the entire economy of the United States. So, it's no surprise what the stance of the U. S. is, but the ECB has a tougher time "herding cats" in Germany....

Moreover, it's a poorly-guarded secret that Germans regard Obama and Kerry with less and less respect all the time. Obama was going to be this miraculous "Wunderkind" who would give America, and the world, "hope and change". That has turned into a giant pile of deceit, lies, and debt, and you cannot help but feel a bit sorry for Kerry that he has had to serve under such an incompetent "empty-suit" as Barack Obama. The truth? Kerry, like Obama, gets his orders from a consortium of the world's klatsch of central banking cartels.

The Germans understand what most of the rest of the world has come to see in the past 18 months -- that Vladimir Putin may not be "Mister Nice-Guy", but that he is loved and adored by over 89% of his fellow Russians, and, that on his worst day, he's smarter and more capable than the whole damned Obama regime rolled into a ball....

 

Europe is just one big US vassal. They've been a US vassal ever since WWII. They lie to themselves and say it's a mutual relationship, but the reality is that they are nothing more than servile pawns on the military-industrial complex's chess board.

 

I know we promised to protect Ukraine, but who cares about that? Why should we honor our commitments? It's better to walk away and call Putin evil.

 

RT video....quotes deliberately cut short and taken out of context so that only RT interpretation is left there. Typical Kremlin-manufactured cheap propaganda, what Kerry really said is anyone's guess.

PS That being said, the fact that allies can have arguments, disagreements, different views, negotiations and compromises is a surprise in Russia only, used to thousands of years of totalitarian dictatorship.

 

Haha!
Or London.

 

In other words, the majority of Europeans are still trying to find a peaceful solution whilst the USA is pushing for the war. Mark my words, the Ukrainian army (if it can be called the Ukrainian army) will restart full scale military operations against peaceful people of Donbass.

 

Armies don't need military operations against peaceful people on their own territory. If the Ukrainian Army enters the Ukrainian territory of Donbas and encounters no resistance from the peaceful people of Donbas, I assure you no blood will be shed.

 

Hardly.

The US left France when instructed in the 1960s.

The US left Germany in the early 2000s.

The US shoveled tons of money into Europe under the Marshall Plan after WWII, to rebuild both friends and former enemies.

The US spent nearly 50 years after WWII keeping the Soviet Beast at-bay so that those barbarians would not overrun Western Europe like they did Poland and Hungary and Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria and Romania and Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania and the rest of that lot.

Western Europe spent the better part of 50 years rebuilding and repopulating and re-strengthening themselves under the American Shield.

And, when the unholy, cruel, greedy, corrupt and militaristic Soviet Empire died, the Americans began (and completed) massive reductions in force-presence in Europe, and turned military bases over to their allies again.

Today, a re-built and re-strengthened Western Europe - now joined and strengthened by an Eastern Europe, freed from underneath the Soviet-Russian heel after 50 long, nightmarish years, and voluntarily joined to The West, can now contribute far more to its own defense, and the US-Europe relationship has evolved from that of American Protector of Weak Europe, to that of American Senior Partner with a Strong and Unafraid Europe.

The universe continues to unfold as it should.

 

Who are you to assure anyone of anything? Did someone appoint you King (*)(*)(*)(*) on Turd Island?

 

Also Bush [junior] demonstrated the same to the Kremlin, without making EU allies get crazy ...

 

I do not think so, Merkel is strong enough to have an independent from Banks policy.

 

Protect Ukraine from what? The only protection Ukraine needs is from the Galatians that Nuland put in power and who are killing civilians in Eastern Ukraine.

The brilliant Gallicians, have now decided to canonize their hero Bandera whose organization Oun and UPI cleansed their lands from all the untermenchen Poles, Jews, and Armenians by committing atrocities which shocked even hardened Germans. ..like picking up kids by their legs and bashing their heads against the walls.

They're having a much harder time now cleaning the Russian untermenchen, since they constitute half the population, but they're trying with everything they got...including white phosporous, embargo on medicine and food, etc.

In December of last year, a report by the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights blamed Azov and other Ukrainian volunteer battalions for an increasing number of human rights violations involving torture and forced disappearances of dissidents.

In July, the House of Representatives of the US Congress unanimously adopted amendments to a proposal for the 2016 American defense budget that outlawed the allocation of funds for training and arming Ukraine’s Azov battalion.

After being incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guard, the unit actively participated in Kiev’s military assault on eastern Ukraine, allowing it to gain access to funds and heavy weaponry.

Children in the camp wear identical T-shirts bearing the Azov battalion insignia – “Wolfsangel” or wolf hook, which was used during WWII by two of Nazi Germany’s SS divisions. ​

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All true points but it makes you sound like a coolaid drinker.....sorry, just sayin

 

He's right! For instance if the Syrians were to allow the Turks to enter peacefully, or the Israelis were to let the Palestinians enter peacefully, or the South Koreans were to allow the North Koreans to enter peacefully, then no blood would be shed.

 

If he was right, the civilian body count wouldn't be going up in Donbas, but it is ......

 

But if Merkel were strong enough to resist the European Central Bank and the IMF, then why does she go along with their policies instead of listening to the German business community? Merkel and Hollande are reviled in Europe among businesspeople as being stooges for the ECB and the IMF. Germans are self-interested and very conscious of what makes geopolitical and economic sense, but what is Bundeskanzler Merkel interested in? Doing the will of the ECB headquarters in Frankfurt...?

I am not saying that anybody in Europe, including Russia is "angelic". It's not an "angelic" world. But the interests of most people in Europe, especially those who like to stay warm in winter without having to pay enormous amounts more money to do so, is in a good working relationship with Russia.

 

You mean like you protect the Head Chopping misogynistic Wahhabi maniacs in Saudi Arabia ?
read Robert Baer - "Sleeping With the Devil" get an edumachation as to the meaning of promise to protect

Or like Saddam Hussein whom you protected, propped up & supplied with Chemical Weapons
to attack his own people, and inflicted a massive war on his neighbors, as you kept your mouth shut,
.......................................... so long as he danced to your tune & served you well as your toilet paper?

Or the Fascist SWINE who you have recently installed in the Ukraine with Illegal coup?

Or like so many BRUTAL DICTATOR US Puppets ,whom the US installs & protects. Evil Psychopaths
[color=#fffff]......[/color] who ran OR still run, their cruel THUG driven, Death Squad tyrannies, at the behest of a Washington
....................................................................................................................... based Corporate Plutocracy?

A Power/Greed driven Oligarchy that has Co-Opted & thoroughly corrupted your own Government,
......................... and is even now laying down all the Laws & Groundwork necessary for an Orwellian,
........................................... Top Down, Locked Down, Totally surveilled US Fascist Police State
........................................... As their Compliant Willfully Ignorant & thourghly trained Sheeple run cover and Apology for them

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I mean really BRUTAL Puppets,
such as Pinochet, Ferdinand Marcos, Shah of Iran, Rios Mott, or Ngo Dinh Diem etc etc etc. -
Check here for a short list - TEXAS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States
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Ever ready to betray, replace or Liquidate anyone of them, if it could be made look good on some
..................................................................................... Criminal Corporations Quarterly Report

You talk of being shamed for not 'honoring our commitments' - Well it shouldn't bother you a bit
[color=#fffff]..................................................[/color] 'There is no Lack of Honor, where its presence never Existed

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Let me explain what I mean. If the people of Donbas were willing to bow to the junta's fascist laws, blood would not have been shed. But like most people, they refused to bow to a tyrannical rule, that's why they are being killed. It's not an easy thing for the Russians, or for any of the other ethnicities in Ukraine to give up their language and heritage and bow to the demands of the Gallicians. I mean who are they?

The same could be said of all wars. If Poland, Russia, France, Greece, Serbia, etc. were to have allowed the German troops to enter peacefully in WWII the way Denmark and other nations did, then they would not have suffered the way they did.

 

I am right but for a different reason. There aren't just innocent peaceful people in Donbas as the poster to whom I replied claimed. There is thousands of terrorists, criminals, separatist thugs there, armed to their teeth by Russia, lest we forget ten thousand Russian troops. If they were all peaceful and law-abiding Ukrainian citizens I assure you, the body count would not be going up in Donbas indeed.

 

Unlike all your examples Donbas is part of Ukraine and Ukrainian troops have every right to enter it unmolested and to exterminate thugs, criminals and Russian occupiers if attacked.

 

Well, they can try, as they've done twice before. So far, the Ukies are 0 for 2 in exterminating those subhumans.