Is there a rift between the US and Europe over Ukraine?

My apologies in mistaking you for a Russian propaganda shill.

Ah, I see, so, anyone who supports US policies vis a vis the Russian Federation is both 'indoctrinated' and a 'simpleton', eh?

Nice try.

Not.

 

No reply to my request that you instruct us all as to what "classical liberalism" is? Surely it would be easy to describe, if, as you say, America was founded on it!

Is it a form of Socialism? Is it a precursor to Communism? What is it? Is it the tax-and-spend "wealth redistribution" shell game that was first jammed down our throats by Frankie Roosevelt? Got nothing to say...? Usually liberals have plenty to say, until they have to define their terms....

... Even though she can't explain what she told you....

 

Woogs and I already replied here and here. Did you not see those replies or something?

 

And, frankly, Pollcy, I'm a bit surprised you weren't aware of what classical liberalism entails or how important it was and still is to American political theory.

You put up a picture of Hillary Clinton, but I don't know a single classical liberal who would claim her. She doesn't really possess a consistent and clear ideology. She's just an opportunist. She would call herself a Donkey if that's what got her elected.

I just assumed it was pretty well understood among politically serious people that there is a difference between classical liberals and contemporary liberals, otherwise, why would the qualification of "classical" be necessary?

Here's an entry in Britannica about classical liberalism and its important role in the American revolution:

Do you need more references?

 

I'm having trouble doubting the sincerity of your apology.

Of course, any person with basic common sense could have taken two or three minutes to take note of my profile information, including my location, which is displayed in every one of my 27,856 posts. I've been a member here for over five years, so anyone who has paid even the slightest attention to my post history knows that I'm not Russian, let alone a Russian shill. You, on the other hand, have been here for two months, and you neglect to provide any profile information, so you could be anyone, really, including some kind of government employee or ally who is shilling for the US government.

Not saying you are, but it's more likely than me be a Russian shill...

No. Just people who assume that anyone criticizing US foreign policy is a Russian shill, especially when there is obvious and easily identifiable evidence to the contrary.

 

No reply, Pollycy? Not feeling as confrontational today?

 

The reason why the U.S. tends to TAKE POINT on issues like the Ukraine is because Europe has consistantly time and time again shown itself to be completely incapable of dealing with problems on it's FRONT DOOR and in it's BACK YARD!!

The U.S. has absolutely no intentions of having to fight another WORLD WAR on the European Continent so I guess that makes us a bit over possesive about such issues but the Ukraine issue is bigger than it appears.

The REAL ISSUE is that Putin and Russia BROKE A DEAL WITH THE UNITED STATES because if we had not spent all that money buying up and destroying old Soviet Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Weapons in all former Soviet States such as Georgia and the Ukraine.....THERE WOULD BE NUCLEAR MISSILES AIMED AT MOSCOW RIGHT NOW!!

The DEAL was the U.S. pays for them and destroys them and in return Russia promised never to again invade or interfere with these nations.

The moment Putin sent Spetsnaz into the Crimea he broke the deal in the Ukraine.

This makes us wonder...what other DEALS is Putin willing to break?

But Putin and Russia are paying a very high cost for doing this and as Europe get's most of it's Natural Gas from Russia...which we warned Europe in advance to diversify their suppliers...of course Europe will not want to start waves.

The E.U. itself so far has been a huge dissapointment for France and Germany as they wanted to be the Leaders of the E.U....but then came Greece and look how that is ended.

AboveAlpha

 

No, I don't "chase" people all over the Forum looking for their utterances. When you post something, I reply directly to it (as I did in this matter). Therefore, I look for a reply to what I posted.

This country was founded on the principles of a free, independent, self-reliant citizens following legal principles founded in antiquity, and, a free-market economic system founded on demand and supply. I don't remember seeing anything about "classical liberalism", and, so far, you haven't replied to my question, even though I suspect that, fundamentally, we probably agree on most of this....

Nevertheless, let me demonstrate what I mean by the creation of a reply that is responsive... Link: https://mises.org/library/rise-fall-and-renaissance-classical-liberalism

See? Wasn't that relatively easy? It never was that I was quarreling with your term, per se, but rather that you just obliquely tossed it out as though the mere mention of it was a fait accompli.... Have a nice weekend.