Ben Carson - "Of course all lives matter"

Your ignorant assumptions stink to high heaven.

Damn, that sound's like a load of uneducated crap.

Well... have you SEEN the way many "Conservatives" talk about and treat minorities (especially Blacks)? From what I've seen... the GOP (conservatives) really ARE the "stupid Party".

You are being offensive period. For your information... Black people CAN observe and fathom the ideas, philosophies and policies of Conservatives over time... and they have ALWAYS been able to look at American politics and make their own choices.

There is no perfect game of "hoodwinking" that Whites in either Party has played... that MOST Black people have not be highly discerning about. In fact, considering all African Americans have endured in this nation, they are probably more astute than most White Americans, where it comes to buying what's being sold by 'politicians'.

Well, there is some amount of social programming going on, I won't deny that. But I think you and scores of others underestimate Blacks quite a great deal.

 

Yes they take away incentive to work with things like that. I think it's important for mentally unwell to have a safety net but not actually use it.

That sounds awful about those employment agencies near you. I mean, if you want to work you want to work. No sense them stopping you.

 

During the Industrial 'Revolution' men worked16 hours/day, 7days/week in a boiling hot steel factory and barely made enough to feed and cloth their families (forget school). Was this white privilege, or was it white enslavement by another name? Do you think little children working 12hours/day, 6days/week in a textile, glass blowing, or canning factory, often being maimed in the process, is white privilege? Do you think working in a coal mine from the age of 7 or 8 and dying of black lung disease by the time you're 30 is white privilege? How about working from sun up to sun down on the family farm--is that white privilege? How about pioneering the West? Luxurious fun and games? How about working 60 hours/week only to have the feds take 18% of your hard-earned money, and distribute it to people who don't want to work? Is that white privilege? The truth is, blacks have had it no worse than whites, and in many instances--better. But political correctness, and the status quo demand constant lamentations over the over-dramatized slavery of blacks. Blacks are excused of having to have empathy for anyone but themselves, while whites are called racists if they refuse to play the black-victimization game. Whites worked their asses off to build this country, and the result is a country that people throughout the world covet. Whites are the hardest working people in the world.
Blacks feed off their way-over-dramatized victimization. Without the concepts of black slavery, black oppression, black inequality, black disparity, blacks would cease to exist. They would be just a face in the crowd competing for resources on a level playing field. Wouldn't that be interesting?

 

Blacks were deliberately held as chattel; a war to have them remain as such was had. (I could go on... but it's futile.)

Stop with your stupid comparisons.

 

Ok then explain to be all the abuse Herman Cain, and Condaleeza Rice and now Ben Carson are taking simply because they chose to think differently and not "take the blue pill" to follow Obama, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc. and have some divisive mentality.

Just because of the color of someone's skin doesn't confine them to flying with the rest of the flock. I'm educated enough to know you are free to think how you want to think no matter what color you are and any other difference you may have.

I have also seen the mentality of the Liberals who use pity and patronage toward minorities and somehow make everyone believe that its ok. I think everyone is tired of our government having a "awww poor you" thought process and taking care of everything FOR us. Its about time a government believed in minorities and the abilities of minorities rather than pacify them. Its not the answer.

So then liberals and the liberal media should have no problems when black people make choices to be conservative and respect them rather than discredit them. What is offensive is that if a Black person does choose to think differently, he/she is then branded an "uncle tom" and severely disrespected. If they can fathom the ideas, philosophies and policies of conservatives and they believe in it, they should not be isolated and looked at in a negative light as a result no more than a liberal black person should.

Have you actually seen Ben Carson's story? Here is a guy who grew up being called stupid all his life. He struggled and endured like MANY minorities do. But he made it through and has something to be proud of. Now he wants others to rise up the same way he did and make something of themselves. I see nothing being bought there. Most of what he says IMO isn't a politician speaking but a man who came from nothing and made something of himself. He is an inspiration. So if he wants to inspire other black people to accomplish things as he has, to me that's a beautiful thing.

Indeed....

Not quite anyone can think how they want to think and should be respected for it. Nobody should have any race molded political rhetoric shoved down their throats by people like Al Sharpton and expected to just stand by it. If a black person chooses to oppose that train of thought they can be respected all the same. Or would you disagree with me there too?

 

They are selling the same old ideas/attitudes that the extreme Right has been pushing for years.

I'd say that the vast majority of Black Americans aren't for that. It's BS to them, for good reason.

 

What attitudes would that be? Stay in school? Get a job? Get MARRIED and SUPPORT your children by being there for them? In other words be a FATHER instead of a sperm donor. You seem to be conflating a street-gang culture with skin color. Street gangs are glorified today and it just so happens they are black in majority. The 'Hip Hop' culture exacerbates this gang culture.

Normally this would be typical as younger generations tend to rebel however, the inner-city gang-culture displaces fathers that are MIA (probably mainly due to so-called welfare programs that suppress fathers from living in the home by giving more money to single mothers) so kids are attracted to the strong, male gang figure which is anti-societal and criminal. Nothing will change as long as this lifestyle is seen as 'cool' and there is not strong intact-family structure in that culture.

“Of course women do not get pregnant just to get welfare benefits.... But, by removing the economic consequences of out-of-wedlock birth, welfare has removed a major incentive to avoid such pregnancies. A teenager looking around at her friends and neighbors is liable to see several who have given birth out-of- wedlock. When she sees that they have suffered few visible consequences ... she is less inclined to modify her own behavior to prevent pregnancy.... Current welfare policies seem to be designed with an appalling lack of concern for their impact on out-of-wedlock births. Indeed, Medicaid programs in 11 states actually provide infertility treatments to single women on welfare.”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672

Like I said, it's a CULTURE that has been created by bad, leftist, liberal policy. All blacks are not affected...Look we have a black President for God's sake.

 

Please point out where it has been stated that black lives were superior to white lives, that is your way of thinking not mine.

When did I ever claim that all people were not equal?

Your whole post is asinine and shallow. I have never claimed that black lives mattered more than white lives and I damn sure have never claimed that black folks were superior to white folks.

You need to get your (*)(*)(*)(*) correct before you start posting asinine garbage.

 

Garbage I make no such assumption certainly not on the basis of skin color. Now send someone my way that's all tatted up with tear drops on his cheeks and assorted other jail house art and regardless of race I will do my best to avoid the guy or gal. And that ahs nothing to do with race but rather with advertising. And again the videos don't even begin to address anything I've said. The worst science there is is social science. That's largely because social scientists tend to be the least intelligent and social science tends to be the most politically driven.

 

I'm responsible for my life, you are responsible for your life. So simple, a caveman can understand.

 

All lives matter. It is just some matter more than others. That's is why we now have a " volunteer " military. It allows the elites to escape the consequences of their decisions.

 

I actually feel some responsibility for my wife's life, my children's life, and will even help my friends and give to charities.

 

You say that now, but your earlier post rather clearly insinuates that the disproportionate rate that unarmed black people are shot and killed by police has to do with their behavior, furthermore, you argue that the science must be politically driven, but if anything is politically driven it is your rejection of the science

You provided no counter science to the discussion, literally your only other argument against the science is that it does not agree with you.

 

I figured that went without saying. I am not however, responsible for total strangers whom I've never met, will never meet, who choose to make bad decisions while competing for the Darwin awards.

 

Are YOU a White American on some SOAPBOX, speaking as if Whites aren't capable of improving themselves also? (Sounds like it to me.)

How about setting a better example, rather than vilifying minorities; for goodness sake!!

 

To be honest there are no same old attitudes. The attitudes and standpoints have evolved. In and of itself we have less politicians in the GOP being taken seriously and more non-politicians gaining ground. Secondly, much of the GOP are starting to adopt more Libertarian viewpoint rather than traditional. I would say Ron and Rand Paul are two people who have. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Hence not all conservatives are the same. Some even call themselves conservative but have lots of liberal viewpoints (look at Megyn Kelly). Reagan wasn't a typical conservative who had the same old attitude. In fact the GOP never even really wanted Reagan as president, they wanted George H.W. Bush and had that happened Carter would have won and he wouldn't have paved the way for modern conservative thought. Reagan evolved thought processes dramatically from the days of Herbert Hoover and now candidates like Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina have furthered that.

 

He may want to let the right wing idiots who would vote for him in on these little secrets. Plus, he's religious, so he doesn't really mean that.

 

Kind of like how Hillary claims to care about people and we're all supposed to believe that.

 

Well, not really. Hillary doesn't let a bronze age fairy tale book determine how she lives her life.

 

No because she is too busy writing the bible of Hillary so others can live their lives according to her own twisted commandments and for much of Hillary's life up until 1967 that "bronze book" was a nice centerpiece in her library.

 

No sir my earlier statement was to the point that all people regardless of race creed or color that are shot by the police are shot based entirely on their behavior and, in fact, statistically speaking it appears that cops go out of their way to avoid shooting black criminals. The point of the note about the fact that African Americans represent at least 45% of criminal arrests while representing only 31% of shooting victims. What I provided sir were statistics from the Bureau of Justice. You have provided nothing that counters those statistics other than a couple of pieces of what amounts to little more than speculative fiction..

 

Right, when she got an education and stopped being a fairy tale believing moron. It happens to most of us who get an education.

 

And of course any valid education is liberally driven. No opposing view points can be considered informative at all. Ben Carson was a democrat, got an education and is now conservative but I guess he's not that smart right.

 

Would be more interesting to know the stats of who would put themselves in the position of being confronted by the officer in the first place.

Maybe it's whites.... which makes your claim even more astounding than it already wasn't.

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But that doesn't fit the "fine, all lives matter, but..!" argument.

 

Carson is a nutcase, wrapped in a Black Far-Right Conservative 'veneer'.

I hope people wake up and stop wasting their time on him. (He isn't going to receive the nomination. When have ANY Black Conservative every receive that anyway?) He is just Republican window-dressing; their political eye-candy.