House bans DEA from attacking medical marijuana facilities

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    did alcohol abuse go away during prohibition, what about drug abuse during the war on drugs? nope, still there

    prohibition is not the cure to abuse...

    by your logic a prohibition on guns is the answer to gun deaths

    education and treatment is the cure, not prohibition...

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    All that is bullcrap.

    Legalizing pot will increase the number of abusers of pot.
     
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    prohibitionists need to JEL, they need to stop lying

    "5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results" April 7, 2009

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization


    "Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal"

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...lization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/


    "Portugal’s Experiment in Drug Decriminalization Has Been a Success" (fourteen years of drug decriminalization)

    https://mises.org/library/portugal’s-experiment-drug-decriminalization-has-been-success

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    Congress does what is best for the members of congress, NOT citizens. The medical applications of cannabis are well known. Once again, when the corporate world oversee our lawmaking process we should expect this type of nonsense. Too many special interests will suffer a negative impact if cannabis was legalized.
     
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    Your wish for legalized drugs says alot about you. Are you an addict?
     
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    i don't drink or do drugs, wish addiction did not exist, of either of them, but I do not believe prohibition is helping anything, in fact I think prohibition does more harm then good

    be like asking if one is a murderer cause they do not support the prohibition of guns

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    Yes, it probably will increase users. I'm not so sure about abusers though. People, with diseases that pot helps, will likely begin to use it with a quickness. People with a curiosity will as well, especially at first, for the novelty. Not everyone buys or uses alcohol, so there's no reason to think that there will be some plague of drug-addled child abusers running rampant if medical marijuana isn't prosecuted.

    Legalizing marijuana wouldn't be good for our "for profit" prisons, not that that is a bad thing. We have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world, including those with much larger populations. We spend $28,000 a year per prisoner with more than two million prisoners, half of which are drug related. You can do the math. The war on drugs is very expensive and ineffective. We could probably spend that money in a more productive way and be more effective than just warehousing people for buying and selling plants.

    I understand that some people do bad things, but each for their own reasons. You can blame drugs for the ones that abuse drugs. You can blame alcohol for the ones that abuse alcohol. You can blame the cyclical nature of child abuse, for the ones that repeat the cycle. You can blame lots of things for what people do, but the person is the one responsible for what they do. Because some people do bad things is no reason to put seriously ill people (and their loved ones that help them) in prison for obtaining and using a plant that helps them cope with the symptoms of their disease.

    The Colorado experiment is telling a different story about marijuana use, abuse, tax, and health. The rest of the country is listening.
     
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    Why study drug abuse and addiction?


    Abuse of and addiction to alcohol, nicotine, and illicit and prescription drugs cost Americans more than $700 billion a year in increased health care costs, crime, and lost productivity.1,2,3 Every year, illicit and prescription drugs and alcohol contribute to the death of more than 90,000 Americans, while tobacco is linked to an estimated 480,000 deaths per year.4,5 (Hereafter, unless otherwise specified, drugs refers to all of these substances.)
     
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    how much does Marijuana cost per year in increased health care costs.... lol, nothing..... the war on Marijuana costs billions.... JEL

    how much do guns increase crime and cost in increased health care costs... how many die from guns.... should we ban guns?

    if you are a smoker and die of natural causes, it's classified as a smoking related death... more lies from the anti-smoking crowd... JEL

    the oldest people to have ever lived were smokers.... and when they died, they labeled them as smoking related deaths.... JEL


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    All bullcrap......


    Why study drug abuse and addiction?


    Abuse of and addiction to alcohol, nicotine, and illicit and prescription drugs cost Americans more than $700 billion a year in increased health care costs, crime, and lost productivity.1,2,3 Every year, illicit and prescription drugs and alcohol contribute to the death of more than 90,000 Americans, while tobacco is linked to an estimated 480,000 deaths per year.4,5 (Hereafter, unless otherwise specified, drugs refers to all of these substances.)



    Just so you know, obama promised obamacare would only cost 900 billion........ lol
     
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    you seem to like that word

    when one is losing an argument, use swear words, that will show them their right


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    I like the truth.

    Telling lies so you can smoke pot, is self destructive, and destructive to America as a whole.
     
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    one only has to look at states that have legalized Marijuana to know what you say is not truth

    your fear mongering about the legalization of Marijuana is not working anymore

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    Prescription drugs and alcohol are both legal. Tobacco is legal. No one gets imprisoned or fined for buying or using those substances. They are not part of the debate on not prosecuting those that use marijuana for medical reasons. Marijuana, by contrast, is illegal, at least at the federal level. Not prosecuting for medical marijuana use has nothing to do with the health costs or lives lost due to those that abuse prescription drugs, alcohol, or tobacco.
     
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    Using the world "medical" before the word marijuana, doesnt change the side effects.


    Parental Substance Abuse A Major Factor
    In Child Abuse And Neglect


    Parental substance abuse is a major factor contributing to child abuse and neglect. This connection is the subject of a new booklet by the Child Welfare League of America (CWLA).

    Among the booklet's findings are the following:

    More than 8 million children live with parents who are substance abusers.

    Substance abuse exists in 40 to 80 percent of families in which the children are victims of abuse.

    Children whose substance-abusing parents do not receive appropriate treatment are more likely to remain in foster care longer and to reenter foster care once they have returned home.

    Children whose parents abuse alcohol and other drugs are three times more likely to be abused and more than four times more likely to be neglected than children from non-abusing families.

    Parents' abuse of alcohol and other drugs can lead to a cycle of addiction, which is reflected by high rates of alcoholism and other substance abuse among children of addicts. Substance abuse among youth leads to a domino effect of problems in school, involvement in juvenile justice, teen pregnancy, and mental and emotional turmoil. By focusing on prevention programs for youth, the authors contend that the cycle can be broken. They also recommend that parents receive treatment from comprehensive programs.
     
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    so you want to make Alcohol illegal too now?

    not everyone abuses.... crimes committed on drugs are no different then crimes committed off drugs...

    prohibitionists want to make criminals of those that do not abuse

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    Im not fear mongering, Im speaking the truth, and thats why I back it up with links to proof, and you just make dubious proclamations....

    Parental Substance Abuse A Major Factor
    In Child Abuse And Neglect


    Parental substance abuse is a major factor contributing to child abuse and neglect. This connection is the subject of a new booklet by the Child Welfare League of America (CWLA).

    Among the booklet's findings are the following:

    More than 8 million children live with parents who are substance abusers.

    Substance abuse exists in 40 to 80 percent of families in which the children are victims of abuse.

    Children whose substance-abusing parents do not receive appropriate treatment are more likely to remain in foster care longer and to reenter foster care once they have returned home.

    Children whose parents abuse alcohol and other drugs are three times more likely to be abused and more than four times more likely to be neglected than children from non-abusing families.

    Parents' abuse of alcohol and other drugs can lead to a cycle of addiction, which is reflected by high rates of alcoholism and other substance abuse among children of addicts. Substance abuse among youth leads to a domino effect of problems in school, involvement in juvenile justice, teen pregnancy, and mental and emotional turmoil. By focusing on prevention programs for youth, the authors contend that the cycle can be broken. They also recommend that parents receive treatment from comprehensive programs.

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    Nope, your bs strawman arguments will not work on me.
     
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    should the government be able to stop them from practicing their religion

    "A Cannabis Church Tests Indiana’s Religious-Freedom Law" July 1, 2015

    http://time.com/3943754/religious-freedom-indiana-marijuana/

    "The church is citing the state’s controversial Religious Freedom and Restoration Act, which went into effect on Wednesday. The law, which permits companies and individuals to defend themselves in legal proceedings by citing religious beliefs"

    shouldn't they be able to worship their Pipe God?

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    You do know that Alcohol is a drug and it is the Gateway drug not to mention the many deaths and crimes committed by those that consume it, strange you want less harmful drugs illegal yet support a more harmful drug to remain legal. Do you have a dog in the fight, you know, do you drink on a regular basis? :roflol:
     
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    All the more reason not to double down on stupidity, and legalize pot.
     
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    It is less harmful than alcohol so your comment ludicrous and lacking in all common sense, how did Prohibition work with alcohol and how well has it worked with pot. Pot will be legalized across the Nation in less than 10 years, my guess is more like 5 years, far too much money to be made by the State and the Vast Majority believe it is time to stop arresting and fining people for smoking it. Welcome to reality.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    What are you talking about?

    It has everything to do with whats being discussed.

    You have to look at the down side of legalized marijuana too.
     
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    you are fear mongering, none of what you claim has happened in states that have ended the prohibition of marijuana

    it's no different then the arguments from those that want to ban guns

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