Syria crisis: US concern over Russia 'military build-up'

Honestly,

I have nothing against that Russia makes an intervention in Syria ... even when backing Assad regime.
By fact, the so called West is blamed much by the Pro-Russian / Anti Western people here in forum, often with ridiculous things, but in one core point they are totally right:

The West failed utterly in Syria and made the situation more worse as solving it. When Arab Spring protest became civil war, the West supported everything what was against Assad, including directly or indirectly ISIS by mistake or intention (I will not rate this, but fact is that they got help too). ISIS itself is a product of the criminal attack of USA on Iraq in 2003 and the USA were not able to eliminate them in a decade of time.
More as that, they lost at least Iraq to Shiite majority in Iraq and they and their militias backed by Iran are aside the Kurds the only real enemy who is really fighting ISIS.
Kurds are on the other side always a thorn in meat of Turkey and their role made the worse messed issue much more worse! If they could as they want, they will prefer to support ISIS more, because a) enemy of their blood enemy Assad and b) of their other blood enemy Kurds!

So sorry to say, but the West has failed totally in all points here. He is unwilling to fight ISIS as it is necessary - making only sporadic bombings and aside this only jabbering! Israel is holding off from it all so far and makes only interventions when high dangerous weapons of Syrian Army are in danger to go over to rebels. Aside this they gave a crap about Syria!

So what alternative is given here? The West is unwilling and the situation is getting more worse every day with no visible end ... so yes, let the Russians go in and end this mess when West is incompetent to do! Maybe Russia has success, maybe not ... who knows!

 

you have a point here, but the fact is that Putin has no resources to change something in Syria, he uses the Syria as a bargaining chip for Ukraine .

question: what you think will be the best solution for Syria ?

 

And he used Ukraine as bargening chip for Krim

 

which is part of Ukraine

 

I think who has a working plan and idea which will get noble price for a decade long ... because the problem is in meantime not only a local one in Syria, but inflicting the complete Middle East!

Looking on Egypt, where the US backed Mubarak was dismissed by Arab Spring, the actions and situation after was not pleasing, but a million times better of what happened in Syria. Egypt has the luck to have USA behind them and so the dismissed Mubarak, as well dismissed Muslim Brothers who won elections and showed after elections won that they are no lamb but a sharp wolf were both put away by Egyptian military and coups were both done by them. If the USA and Egypt will improve economic situation more and so on, as well fighting off all Jihadists, the situation will come to a peaceful situation.
In Syria this didn't happen by their ally and big brother - Russia. Assad was more let alone with it and reacted at least same way as Gadhafi did in Libya. I will not blame Russia about, but they had and have same influence in Syria as USA in Egypt and when they had used this in time, situation would have been the same as in Egypt now. But today it is too late ...

So back to your question and lets take a look on solutions:

ISIS must be fought back and utterly eliminated as real force as they are in moment ... and this must include Iraq too. ISIS will never total die as bad and serious terror organization and must be fought like Al Qaida, but for the first they must be put off from the regions. This can only be done with full military power and no half way ... means full ground force use!
Further, the person Assad is over and can't be hold if anyone is seriously wanting peace. I will not blame him alone to be guilty etc., but if stays, there will be no calming down of situation!

My row proposal as solution is

Step 1
To make it like in Bosnia with an IFOR like action after negotiations and agreement of all sides. These IFOR Forces must be in majority be out of 4 countries: a) USA, b) Russia, c) Turkey, d) Iran.
Only this way it is for all visible shown that no one sided mission is done by one supporter!

Step 2
Under this safety screen the war factions have to hand over all weapons. The complete country must be governed for the first by a committee of these 4 named countries. To make it easier the country must be divided in 4 sectors of control, but NOT the way that in each sector only one has the saying! Syria must be hold as 1 state, not as 2 or more small countries.
Further the re-construction of administration, as well all the war damages etc. must be done TOGETHER with Syrian people.

Step 3
Under the safety screen of these 4 Major powers who must be working together in full too of course, we have then the possibility that Syria will rest and rebuild as it happened in Libya and Bosnia.

 

Yea, I meant the whole mess in the center of Ukraine.

 

its true, its all about Ukraine ,

 

What you don't comprehend, is that all the chaos, suffering and death is deliberately caused by the US/UK/Israelis/Saudis/and the rest of the axis of hypocrisy. They essentially hate more than 90% of humanity and are doing their thing.
And the funny thing about it is that most USers and Europeans actually imagine that failure after failure after failure is all innocence.
They are so brain dead, that they can't figure out how they were shafted from before the middle 1800's and throughout the 20th Century to now.

 

al Jazeera

 

Now we are telling another country that they can't ask for help from their allies? What right do we have to tell Syria they aren't allowed to get help from Russia?

 

From your link:

The Kerry clown fails to mention that it was the US, working in conjunction with Saud, Turkey and other Middle east nations that escalated the conflict to begin with, in violation of international law, by arming extremist Islamic (including Al Qaeda and Al Nusra) insurgency.

Of course Russia is going to protect its ally against such aggression just as we would protect one of our NATO allies.

 

Anyone who is honest about fighting and destroying ISIS would be more than happy to have Russians on board as an ally. No? Complaining and whining about Russkies arming and assisting secular Syrians is sheer idiocy. It reveals the true nature and intention of people who claim to be fighting ISIS. I assume Russkies learned some lessons in Libya and just want to make sure that creating so called ‘safe zones’ doesn’t turn into another regime change operation.

To quote my favourite comedian George W. Bush. You've got to love the guy. Hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

 

I did and I've archived it. he really has a "hitler" complex...

 

No idea. But they do operate under commandment of syrian army if they do for there is no russian army taking part in the conflict. I repeat once again that there is no possibility for Russia to establish a military group capable of controlling the territory. There is no way for supplies. I also repeat that there is no reason for Russia to intervene into Syria as long as it has a legal state and a legal president. Fortunately he was not overthrown and Syria still has a chance which Libya and Iraq no longer have. In order to restore peace in Syria is enough just to help Assad to fight away all the sorts of rebels whether they are ISIS or so far are not ISIS. In Libya and Iraq it is no longer possible, but Russia has no concern over the region. It's a headache of western europeans who broke these states for a penny of income and it is them who will need to rebuild these countries for billions in order to save their own country. If\when they ASK Russia of help - that will be another story. But for now Russia is nor capable of solving the situation in the whole region. 'Syrian express' obviously helps Assad and syrians to survive and preserve their state. Not anything more.

 

Loans were given to rebuild what the US/UK and co so kindly destroyed for them.

 

You need to readjust propaganda among arabs to make it possible. So far they go to Heaven on Earth where every person gets the highest standards of living for nothing.

BTW Syria is still there and if syrian refuges appear in Russia they can be sent back to Assad. It is good to stay with the diplomacy of reality instead of making a look that you have what you want.

 

And again I have to repeat that the most responsibility for Abkhazia is after abkhazians and the responsibility over Donbass is after Donbass people. You can't blame those who support you in the forum or who object your propganda here in the situation you have in your flat. The responsibility is yours. Whether you are proamerican or not. And no increase of GDP in US or drop of GDP in China will ever help you to wash the floor.

As for Abkhazia. These people fighted for their independence throughout centuries. Firstly they were one of the few peoples in Caucases who fighted russians there to the very end. Most part of these people preferred to emigrate but not to live under russian Tzar. Then they wanted a republic of their own inside the USSR and they fought for a long time against georgians, which are a completely different tribe. Of course the infrastructure they got in their land is too expensive to maintain, so only what was left from the USSR is working now in Abkhazia. These people don't make labour triumphs like chinese and are not that inventive as germans or japanese. They are different. And Russia cannot be blamed by anyone who wants to understand how things are working in the world. It's their choice.

Donbass people haven't formed so far into a different nation. The war which started in Maidan haven't separated a nation deep inside. The separation is just in the media and propaganda. What happens in Ukraine in general is an affair against Russia in order to keep it out of the world for a couple of years when the plan of giant change of the world is completed and EU hasn't descended into the war which has no spoils. Comparing to other parts of former Ukraine Donbass looks quite decent and its economic perspectives are much more sound then of the rest of Ukraine, which lives from one gift from the west to another and frows poorer and poorer day by day.

 

And you certainly can prove that Putin has ever used his support of Assad as a bargain?
The guys from KSA spent months in Moscow trying to bargain something, but it looks that the principles of former KGB are worthier than the money.

 

If the Russians want to get into this I say let them. Syria is their ally and ISIS needs to be destroyed. Heck we should offer our merchant marine fleet to transport supplies for them as an act of solidarity. Perhaps try and unfreeze some of our relations with Russia. Better them then us in the end.

 

Don't attack Russia economically and threaten it militarily, and don't actively attack and try to topple the government of a close Russian ally, then complain about a Russian 'military build-up,' in this case on the territory of said close ally. Nothing could be more predictable or appropriate, and of course the US would do the same if the situation were reversed.

 

The US couldn't build up more Military if it tried, it is a 'Military built up'.

 

Maybe with Russia there Obama will check before drone striking an innocent wedding party.

 

This is so expected.

Those on the left are scratching their heads wondering why their Messiah's genius is resulting in world and domestic chaos.

Give a Socialist / Communist / Liberal / Progressive (how many other names do they give themselves?) a bit of rope and eventually they will hang themselves along with a lot of innocents.

 

Ah yes, the silly picture from the resident pseudo-russian troll... Go away...