Immigrant crisis -- state of emergency declared all over Europe

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  1. QLB

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    What skills? Piracy? Slave trading? Any proof? Sounds like more made up liberal lies.
     
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    Here's the problem: The refugee crisis in itself is a complicated situation. We can only speculate the amount of real refugee's there are and how many of them are actually economic migrants. There is the very real worry of ISIS fighters and other Islamic terrorists being among the people crossing over.

    We have to look at the route cause of all of this and it is clear to me that our intervention in the Middle East for the last decade and particularly the last few years in Libya and Syria has done much to cause this problem. We are the ones that have essentially caused this mess and it will be up to us to fix it. One thing is for certain though, if we are to do that we cannot listen to either the EU or the far left on this issue.

    Both parties of people believe that mass immigration and an open door policy will solve the crisis....without even thinking about what the root problem and cause of these people coming over in the first place. Yes, we can do more to help genuine refugees, without a doubt. But we have already seen the effect of having an open door policy early on at the border of Germany where they simply cannot cope with the influx.

    The main root cause is ISIS, pure and simple. The only way to completely deal with this is to deal with ISIS. However we must be smart and think about how we are going to contain and eventually defeat them. More flippant interventionism without a clear cut strategy is not the answer.

    In the mean time, let's get some stability on this issue and stop the boats from coming, give us a chance to assess who qualifies for asylum and who doesn't. The left claiming that this is a heartless suggestion are mad, the whole basis of it is to stop the absolutely horrible scenes we have seen thus far which will only continue if we encourage more Syrians to come across on this route.

    It worked for the Aussies and it can work for Europe.
     
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    ISIS have stated that they will and have used the refugee crisis to infiltrate their fighters into European countries. The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 trained ISIS gunmen have already been smuggled into Europe – hidden among innocent refugees.
     
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    I suppose a person could claim the courage to commit national suicide is interesting anyway.

    However, they are NOT refuges, they are immigrants. I have yet to explain anyone in German leadership explaining how 800,000 uneducated, unskilled, mostly illiterate, non-German speaking and largely militant young Muslim men will benefit Germany. Can anyone answer that question?
     
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    I like what the Hungarians are doing but dunno what the Czechs are thinking? Apparently, Zeman saw Allah and converted to the E.U. doctrine. He thinks the migrant-invaders are coming in for holidays, not hinting whether they will leave when the holidays are over. Coming in without a visa already constitutes law breaking carrying a 2-year prison penalty in many countries. The real crisis of course is the neighbourhood watch, the real menace and eye-sore.
     
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    The left whine that migrants are coming because 'we bomb their countries' but we didnt bomb Syria and its got worse. We should take Christian Syrians in priority and take no sunni syrians who are strongly religious. Also any refugees who commit arrestable offences should be expelled back to Syria
     
  7. janpor

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    My argument, however, still stands. And this is a question being raised in my country -- a question that must be asked: when are you facing with a war refugee and when are you facing with economic refugees?

    I think it is abnormal for thousands of people to march through Denmark, seeking refugee in Sweden. Is it because Sweden grants far bigger amounts to refugees than Denmark?

    The little boy that has drowned, was not there because he wanted to fare the big open blue sea. He was there because his parents made a pretty crappy assessment and put him in a shabby boat without a life vest. I'm sorry, but that is called child abuse. And sadly the little boy had to pay with his life because of unfit parenting.

    The fact is, it is completely unsunstainable to allow millions of refugees into our countries and allow them access to the entire state apparutus, no questions asked.

    I think it is abnormal, that when a refugee asks for asylum in my country, they get access to all benefits. For instance, they are immedialtely required to pay taxes -- but since they have no income whatsoever they don't have to pay anything. However, because their income is so low they do get tax returns because they fall in the lowest taxable basket.

    Anyways, I will not stand to be made "suspicious" for asking some questions and raising some concerns.
     
  8. janpor

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    Immigrants to the USA come on their own merit. They settle where they want and they work their ass off.

    In Europe, they are not settling in Greece, Spain or Portugal.

    They come to certain countries: BENELUX, UK, Germany, Sweden,...

    And they all benefit of the entire state apparatus.

    It means billions upon billions of Euros that have to be spent, crowding a system that is already in a shabby state because of budget cuts.
     
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    Close of Hungary borders causes backup in the Balkans...
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    Thousands stranded on new migrant route through Europe
    Oct 18,`15 -- Tension was building among thousands of migrants as they remained stranded in fog and cold weather in the Balkans on Sunday in their quest to reach a better life in Western Europe, a day after Hungary closed its border with Croatia and the flow of people was redirected to a much slower route via Slovenia.
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    Slovenian army mobilised, Croatia says migrants cannot be stopped without shooting
    Saturday 17th October, 2015 - Migrants streaming into Europe reached Slovenia on Saturday, after being diverted on Friday night by the closure of Hungary's border with Croatia.
     

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