'Annie' remake: casting of black lead provokes negative Twitter posts

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Channe, Dec 23, 2014.

  1. GeorgiaAmy

    GeorgiaAmy Well-Known Member

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    Bah ha ha...
    Cast a white actor to play MLK....HAHAHA....
    FUNNY!!
     
  2. GeorgiaAmy

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    Shakespeare's plays used men in all parts centuries ago...
    Jesus is painteda million times with pale skin and blue eyes.
    The fact is a black Annie seems fine, but a white MLK seems sacrilegious. It has nothing to do with historical accuracy.
    Dig deeper, folks. If a German girl played Anne Frank, I'd be outraged. If a docudrama on 9/11 was made and Canadians played the terrorists, I'd be outraged.
    The victim's pain seems marginalized if the master of pain is misrepresented...In my view.
     
  3. Darkbane

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    why not... what if a school wanted to do a play about MLK... and they didn't have any black kids... should they not do the play now... because they have no black kids to play the role... or should they continue the education of their students through the play and school assembly?

    this is a very real example that has happened across america... white kids have played MLK... as black kids have played other historically white people... in educational plays... my kids school had a woman play the role of a man, no guys wanted the part, should they have halted the entire play?
     
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    [video=youtube;TTWAMo4Su3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTWAMo4Su3k[/video]

    I guess this was a rousing display of MLK for the 2nd grade play...

    look a white kid playing MLK... the black kid decided jackie robinson was way cooler and played him instead... lol... in second grade, I'd probably have gone with the baseball player too...

    [video=youtube;kpyHZ8fNOXA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpyHZ8fNOXA[/video]

    oh man, white people singing gospel for MLK day... see this school believes instead of taking the day off, school is mandatory and they teach kids about MLK every year... this is how education should happen... taking a day off, ruins it... but hey unions want it so they got it... (passive aggressive union comment alert)
     
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    Quoting MLK and acting MLK in a play=2 diff'rent strokes.
     
  7. Darkbane

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    ehhh I can agree with that... either way, using "historical context" that people are arguing means only a black guy can play MLK... how did the teachers fail the entire school by having a white MLK? where is the outrage in society! a white man should never steal the black thunder! black lives matter black lives matter...

    I guess its hard to show which parts of that I meant as sarcasm and which I mean seriously... I just don't see why a white kid can't play MLK, especially for educational purposes in a mock speech or a play... but many in society seem to cling to racism as the justification... I hate it when logic isn't applied equally... it makes me ding democrats and republicans constantly...

    ask me about logic in marriage rights and voting/gun rights... logic fail on both sides equally applying it...
     
  8. JWBlack

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    Historical accuracy?

    Like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter ???
     
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    Hey, don't knock it, that movie was almost as good as FDR American Badass.
     
  10. btthegreat

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    This is close to my view. The problem many minorities have with casting, is that even when the role as written, has no reference to a specific race, the directors won't seriously consider breaking their own preconceived ideas and audition minorities.

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    This is close to my view. The problem many minorities have with casting, is that even when the role as written, has no reference to a specific race, and the character is fictional, directors won't seriously consider breaking their own preconceived ideas and audition minorities.
     
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    Do you want to go see movies where the women are played by men?

    Jesus is painted wrong . How many Jews have blond hair and blue eyes ?

    Neither is fine

    Since Anne Frank was German why would you be outraged?
     
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    No she will always be a fictional white character that is how her character was create, the role of the little white munckin was being played by a black girl this time.
     
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    Seems to have worked out great, move on with it.
     
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    By the way, looks like Rich maybe made another correct prediction in this thread. Just for the heck of it, I reread the thread and found this exchange:

    Reports were that it could have put Fox in the red for 60 million.
     
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    But in the end, it did not flop since the revenues were almost doubled than the cost of production.

    BTW, the article you cited was about the Fantastic Four, not Annie.
     
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    Did you notice the date of my post you quoted? December 2014.
     
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    only a racist or a person that doesn't know what the word "racism" means wud claim that, i suspect u r both. racism is increasing, not decreasing in the US. the fact that a good half of the country isn't racist and actually voted a black man into the wh doesn't change that; his presidency is the main reason for the increases in racism anyway.
    when the common black man gets referred to as a "thug" on tv on a daily basis, when a presidential candidate gets applauded instead of shamed for claiming that most mexicans are criminal lazy rapists - u know your country has a problem with racsim

    to the sane people out there, don't stop calling out racism, don't get encouraged by the ridiculous claims of "race-baiting", it is important to keep calling out racist if we ever wanna change something
     
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    The same way the movie critics do lol.

    Heres some headlines on FF.

    http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...c-four-trainwreck-monster-hunt-man-from-uncle

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/14/fantastic-four-flop-sparks-marvel-takeover-rumors.html

    http://variety.com/2015/film/news/fantastic-four-flops-reboots-hollywood-1201566235/#

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...rowland-and-the-biggest-flops-of-summer-2015/


    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-fantastic-four-flops-814123


    https://www.thewrap.com/fantastic-f...s-most-scathing-reviews/#sthash.FGppINmJ.dpuf

    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/ne...ur-flops-with-11-3-million-on-friday#/slide/1


    http://news.moviefone.com/2015/09/0...astic-four-flop-names-chris-evans-marvel-bff/

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-08/11/fantastic-four-flops-original-script-surfaces


    Read more: http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...-fantastic-four.html/?a=viewall#ixzz3nJdTq2ZI

    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/fantastic-flops-weekend-box-office/story?id=32988709


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-fails-to-topple-cruise-at-weekend-box-office


    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fantastic-four-flops-director-josh-trank-posts-tweet-blaming-studio-1514657


    http://fortune.com/2015/08/10/fantastic-four-fox-flop/



    Theres more of course, but you get the picture. Unless everyone has a different opinion of what it means to flop...then it seems to be a consensus. The movie flopped hard. Even the Movies director knows it flopped and immediately jumped to Twitter to let everyone know he had a better script that the studio rejected lol.(If this was the Victor Domashev script..well it's obvious he still doesnt understand why his movie flopped)

    Excuses excuses.

    The problem was obvious, and predicted. The cast looked horrible. Looked like a bunch of teenagers. Liberties were taken with Dr. Doom...who needs none. He , as written, is probably the best villian in Marvels stable, and doesnt need hollywood to tweak him.

    And of course...the Black Human Torch...lol...this film never had a chance.
     
  19. Stuart Wolfe

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    I know. I stated that it was ANOTHER prediction. Another is defined as a different one, and this prediction was about the FF movie, which has been mentioned in this thread as another example of changing the race of a character in order to suit PC needs. Although in the case of the FF, changing the race of Johnny Storm was the least of the movies problems if even a problem at all - as opposed to the slightly larger ones about not having much action, humor, or a coherent plot.

    BTW, this is how I knew the FF movie was gonna bomb months before it came out: No toys. Seriously, the Minions figures swamped Wal-Mart months before the movie came out, and there's tons of Star Wars toys out now. But the FF? Nothing. I think all I saw was a Denny's tie-in, and that was it.
     
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    Yes, it was a success ... more than double ... and your number of 134 million worldwide looks accurate. I've checked sources again, since I originally posted.

     
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    I said that someone could depict ridiculous alterations to history, like removing Civil Rights from a MLK rendition. Yet, this would change the essence of the story and it would no longer be a story about MLK, who is inextricably tied to oppression against blacks. The races of Hitler and MLK can't be interchanged without sacrificing authenticity and defying reality. It requires mental contortions of grand proportions to call this racism. You've posted about white kids at a school who played MLK. So, you know that this has happened and people went on with their lives. Angelina Jolie played a biracial woman, Jonny Depp played Tonto who was Native American, another white actress put her hair into cornrows and played a black woman in a movie. This is just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to white actors portraying minorities and each of these examples happened this century. Idris Elba was told that he's too street to play James Bond and minority actors are playing the sidekicks to white actors in leading roles about minorities. With this backdrop, you expect people to swallow that there is one way discrimination against whites in the movie industry. And let's not forget that a movie about a little black girl playing Annie elicits derogatory remarks and gets a thread dedicated to it on PF, lol. What were you saying again?



     
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    But we were not talking about the Fantastic Four. We were talking about Annie.
     
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    No, we were indeed talking Fantastic Four. Cmon man.
     
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    LOL...no, sorry. It was not a success, and the take nowhere near double the cost.

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Cost+to+make+Fantastic+four

    That sir, is a flop.
     
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    Have you even seen a theater production of Peter Pan. Pan is usually played by a woman, or at least, a female teenager. In Japan, the earliest form of entertainment, Noh and Kyogen, were only male actors who often played female roles. In the time of Shakespeare, with his now infamous plays, the acting profession were typically male. In ancient Greece, acting was considered a male occupation only. The point is that cross gender role playing has had a long, distinguished tradition set forth by societal norms. So, it would not be unusual for men playing women roles. Tootsie and Mrs Doubtfire or females playing male roles such as Peter Pan.
     

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