Another Billionaire Warns Of The Danger Of Income Inequality

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    what would happen if the dollar continuously got more valuable?



    why would a private entity give all its net-profits to the treasury department?
     
  2. Longshot

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    One dollar would be able to buy more goods and services than previously.
     
  3. Crusade24

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    You've just highlighted the main problem with the FED. It's bad enough having a central bank on it's own but when it is private and not even accountable to elected officials then it is disastrous. You can't even properly scrutinize their economic policies because you don't have anyone watching over them. Not even something as simple as an audit.
     
  4. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes we do. And we should foster that by getting rid of the first past the post plurality systems. and start letting voters rank their choices.
    It also probably wouldn't hurt to finally do campaign finance reform as well.

    -Meta
     
  5. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think anyone begrudges people saving up enough money to retire off of + some for the kids + a bit for unforeseen emergencies.
    The issues start to arise when folks accumulate so much money, enough so that several generations could potentially live off it, not having to work a day in their lives, and so much so that many others do not hardly have enough to just get by on. While the former is certainly unseemly and wasteful, the real problem is the latter. The excesses of some should never create a significant impediment to the opportunities of the rest.

    -Meta
     
  6. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Our current first past the post plurality election system leads to our society becoming much more polarized by forcing voters to pick between what they personally want and that which would more accurately represent what the country as a whole wants. Unsurprisingly, results then tend to always greatly favor the desires of one half the country or the other. We need to fix that.

    -Meta
     
  7. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    How does one person holding a lot of money effect anyone's ability to get by?
     
  8. dujac

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    that's a myopic, short-term view

    the choice of a tactic to have slow, steady monetary-inflation (2% annually) is a wise one

    if the dollar continually got more valuable, people that are able to, would postpone unnecessary spending

    since this would give them more future purchasing power; this would lead to less spending and lower sales

    that elicits less production, then more unemployment, reduced investment rates and potentially a downward spiral

    in the end, wealthy people would respond by buying up everything they could, at pennies-on-the dollar



    you're obviously missing the point and ill-informed on how it operates

    how is giving all their net-profits to the government, a problem?

    and the fed is held accountable in many ways

    hearings, audits, legislation & etc



    here's where congress tells the fed what its job is:


    Federal Reserve Act

    Section 2A. Monetary policy objectives

    The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee shall maintain long run growth of the monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy's long run potential to increase production, so as to promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.




    here's where congress makes the fed report their progress:


    Section 2B. Appearances Before and Reports to the Congress

    (a) Appearances Before The Congress.

    In General. The Chairman of the Board shall appear before the Congress at semi-annual hearings, as specified in paragraph (2), regarding the efforts, activities, objectives and plans of the Board and the Federal Open Market Committee with respect to the conduct of monetary policy; andeconomic developments and prospects for the future described in the report required in subsection (b).
    Schedule. The Chairman of the Board shall appear before the Committee on Banking and Financial Services of the House of Representatives on or about February 20 of even numbered calendar years and on or about July 20 of odd numbered calendar years;
    before the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate on or about July 20 of even numbered calendar years and on or about February 20 of odd numbered calendar years; and before either Committee referred to in subparagraph (A) or (B), upon request, following the scheduled appearance of the Chairman before the other Committee under subparagraph (A) or (B).


    (b) Congressional Report. The Board shall, concurrent with each semi-annual hearing required by this section, submit a written report to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate and the Committee on Banking and Financial Services of the House of Representatives, containing a discussion of the conduct of monetary policy and economic developments and prospects for the future, taking into account past and prospective developments in employment, unemployment, production,investment, real income, productivity, exchange rates, international trade and payments, and prices.

    (c) Public Access To Information. The Board shall place on its home Internet website, a link entitled 'Audit', which shall link to a webpage that shall serve as a repository of information made available to the public for a reasonable period of time, not less than 6 months following the date of release of the relevant information, including the reports prepared by the Comptroller General under section 714 of title 31, United States Code; the annual financial statements prepared by an independent auditor for the Board in accordance with section 11B; the reports to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate required under section 13(3) (relating to emergency lending authority); and such other information as the Board reasonably believes is necessary or helpful to the public in understanding the accounting, financial reporting, and internal controls of the Board and the Federal reserve banks.


    http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm
     
  9. justlikethat

    justlikethat New Member

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    In just about every national poll, Ronald Reagan was ranked the best president since WWII.
    So lets be honest here, you opinion is part of the fringe!
     
  10. Longshot

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    Annual GDP growth has been has been averaging roughly 3% over the last ten years. Under a stable money supply this would mean that holding $100 for the course of a year would result in its purchasing power rising to $103.

    If someone wants a new shirt that costs $25, he's not going to delay a full year just so he can get it for $24.25.
     
  11. dujac

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    you're missing the point

    what you're calling a "stable money supply", doesn't result in stability




    you're talking about gullible people

    [video=youtube;VGdWIwiVMF4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGdWIwiVMF4[/video]
     
  12. Professor Peabody

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    Has Carl Ichan dissolved all his assets and distributed them to the poor? If not, he need to (*)(*)(*)(*) and sit down.
     
  13. justlikethat

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    According to the fringe left wing, everyone who does not agree with the left's agenda are "gullible people" to hell with the majority, even if they are independent thinkers! LOL
     
  14. dujac

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    that's ridiculous

    here's another billionaire telling the truth about taxation and income disparity:

    [video=youtube;bBx2Y5HhplI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI[/video]


    i'm a moderate and the iran-contra scandal showed how dishonest reagan was

    he talked about not negotiating with terrorist, but, he traded arms for hostages

    [video=youtube;OiA-0HHDIAc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiA-0HHDIAc[/video]
     
  15. justlikethat

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    If we restricted 75% of income from all US billionaires, please explain in your own words how that would help the average American?

    A moderate you say? All anyone has to do is search your most recent started threads to figure out, that is ridiculous.
     
  16. TrackerSam

    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama traded nukes and got nothing in return including the hostages.
     
  17. dujac

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    you really don't know what you're talking about

    iran went from 19,000 centrifuges under bush's terms to under 6000 during obama's



    our infrastructure is falling apart because republicans all conglomerate corporations to shirk their tax responsibilities

    watch the video and learn something

    all you're doing is showing that you don't know what you're talking about
     
  18. Papastox

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    Just exactly how naive are these Libs? They believe that Obama has entered into an agreement with a country that is going to play fair, but Iran's history has proven time and time again that they do not. Look up taqiyya... He has succumbed to everything they wanted and still did not get the hostages back. Let's take a trip down memory lane as to what he gave away to get the traitor Bergdahl back. He has given away the US position of strength and made us a weak nation that is the laughing stock of the world.
     
  19. dujac

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    i've already demonstrated that y'all don't know what you're talking about in regards to iran

    there's no need to double down on it
     
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    Appealing to the stupidity and ignorance of the raging masses is not an argument for much. :)
     
  21. Brtblutwo

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    If the moderates were to form their own party, fixing the problem might be possible. But, moderates also lean right or left, so where is the common ground?

    This is why there has only been two dominant parties throughout the history of the country. Any third party spilts the vote on either the right, or the left. For example, if Trump runs as an independent in 2016, the Republican vote will be split, since an overwhelming majority of his supporters are right-wingers that always vote for the most extreme conservative.
     
  22. Meta777

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    That's easy. Money may not be finite, but it is a representation of wealth and resources.
    And while wealth in general is not necessarily finite either, the natural resources used (along with labor) to create it,
    at any given time are finite. And if a class of people control enough money such as to control the natural resources,
    the rest of society suddenly becomes beholden to that class out of necisity.

    Read up on the shortcomings of Oligarchy to learn more about why this is not a good thing.

    -Meta
     
  23. Longshot

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    Were you saying that holding money harms other's ability to get by or that spending money to buy resources does? By your saying "such as to control natural resources", is sounds like you're referring to spending money to buy these resources, correct?
     
  24. Meta777

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    At no point is the spending of money a problem (with few exceptions),
    the issues come about when either money or natural resources are hoarded.
    Because the people need access to those natural resources, and if both the money and the resources are held up by a select few,
    then those resources cannot be bought off by the folks who need them, and as a result they become perpetually dependent on the hoarders.
    If money were to continually move amongst and between the classes, there would be a lot fewer issues.

    -Meta
     
  25. Longshot

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    Here's my question:

    How does one person holding a lot of money affect anyone's ability to get by?
     

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