The End of Abortion in America is Coming Soon Part 2

I'll take your suggestion under submission.

That's nice!

When is govt. involvement necessary in society?

Is that true for all societies and all cultures?

I disagree with your characterization. Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood which is a major provider of abortions. Besides, reporting someone instead of addressing them seems like a cowardly thing to do.

 

over 3\4 of Abortions are had by Christians, I do not think it's going away anytime soon

 

What do you gain by insulting fellow members of the forum?

 

Yes. I am sticking my fingers in my ears. Probably because hearing and rehearing the
same old pro-abortion, anti-science, anti-family, anti-woman, anti-human rights, pro-big
government claptrap democratic party talking points over and over and over becomes
tiresome and boring. It's so annoying to hear people who are willing to do absolutely
nothing to curb the use of abortions or are unwilling to put a value on a human life at
any stage of development inside the womb of a mother lecture us about children. They
don't value human life yet expect us to listen to them talk about civil rights. Maybe if
there was some moderation, some willingness to acknowledge the evil of abortion, the
value of life in the womb, some willingness to compromise on the issue at all, then some
progress would be possible. But talking to extremists who insist on a woman's right to
an abortion right up to the moment of birth is useless, it's a fool's errand.

 

Here are perfect examples of the sheer insipid stubbornness of Patriot News, who just can't acknowledge when he/she is wrong or concede a point of fact and logic:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=421115&p=1065388829#post1065388829

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=421115&p=1065392599#post1065392599

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=421115&p=1065392608#post1065392608

 

You'll be wailing the same thing in the thread entitled """The End of Abortion in America is Coming Soon Part 578 ""........

 

Medical abortion is science. Humans are created by being "conceived in the mind of God" isn't.

 

I almost missed this post, because I avoid abortion threads. What a gem in two little sentences, to define the modern conservative response to liberty.

 

That would be the "pro-lifers," who not only refuse to consider policies proven to reduce abortions (comprehensive sex ed and freely available birth control), they work to make them more inaccessible.

You cannot put a value on the embryo/fetus inside another person, because to do so disregards that person's human rights.

The idea that YOU should ever have control of another person's body is extreme, not moderate.

Abortion isn't evil, it is necessary for a woman's health, life, to control what happens to her body, and for her human dignity.

You have stated that you want to end legal abortion with the exception of the woman's life. You don't want compromise, you want to criminalize abortion by increments until women are treated like chattel.

 

good idea it will help you not to make such simple errors in the future

I know

start a topic in the relevant section asking the question, link me to it and I'll reply .. this is not the area to discuss government involvement unless it is pertaining to abortion, this is an abortion section you do know that don't you?

It is in cultures that actually research the subject and don't let religious doctrine colour their logic.

You have been addressed numerous times over numerous topics on Sanger and each time you have failed. Your repeated assertion of things that have already been debated numerous times is nothing but flamebait and an attempt to derail the topic .. something you do a lot of.

This will be my last comment to you in this thread unless you actually address the topic at hand.

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What do you gain in going off topic all the time?

 

do you think not having the balls to actually quote the people or person you are responding to makes you creditability any better?

When pro-lifers decide they want to compromise and not lie, cheat and BS in order to get their own way perhaps there will be a time that issues such as this can be, for the most, settled, until then pro-lifers can go fish.

There is nothing "evil" about abortion, it is neither evil or good, it is simply something that is, and as far as value of life is concerned .. life only has as much value as another places upon it and that is 100% true even for you.

When you can comment here about supporting welfare for those that need it then you can preach to me about caring for children, when you can comment here on supporting children from other countries to stay in the USA then you can preach to me about caring for children, when you can comment here on educating children on sex properly then you can preach to me on caring for children .. until then pro-lifers such as you pay nothing but lip service to caring about children, pro-lifers use children as an emotional tool in their zealous agenda.

There is nothing more pro-big government than advocating for the government to regulate and enforce laws concerning peoples body autonomy and that is exactly what you want.

The biggest lie in your rant is the one where you state "It's so annoying to hear people who are willing to do absolutely nothing to curb the use of abortions" when the reality is that for the most pro-lifers are the ones who are willing to do absolutely nothing to curb abortions when it comes to sex education and the means to stop a pregnancy occurring in the first place ie free at source contraception of all types. Your agenda does nothing but violate the rights of women in order to elevate a fetus above every other person.

I understand why you have to ignore reality, you have nothing that can refute it.

 

I'll call you out right now. You don't think Gosnell was evil? How many illegals live in your house? I'm for sex education so that completely undermines you theory about pro-lifers right there. Human sacrifice is against the law. Time to put an end to the Church of Liberalism and its sacred rituals.

 

Go for it

Gosnell murdered BORN children .. so much for your false equivalence fallacy.

Kermit Barron Gosnell (born February 9, 1941) is an American former physician who was convicted of murdering three infants who were born alive during attempted abortion procedures

so yes he was evil for killing BORN children.

How many children have you adopted?

Does it, until you produce what sex education you support then I stand by my comment .. so let us all see what sex education you support.

This has nothing to do with your obsession with religion.

 

He didn't kill three children who were strolling in the park. He killed them to quote you, "during attempted abortion procedures".

This thread is about abortion, not illegal aliens or adoption.

I agree with you on sex education and I have to pass a test to prove it? Please.

 

They were born alive, please look up the born alive act .. the very fact they were born alive means that they are protected to kill them after that fact is murder ergo Gosnell killed them AFTER the abortion had taken place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born-Alive_Infants_Protection_Act

so why ask me about illegal aliens then?

Sex education covers a very wide array of items, why are you so defensive at posting what you support, after all according to you - you agree with me. this is the sex education program I support -

1. Teaches that sexuality is a natural, normal, healthy part of life
2. Teaches that abstinence from sexual intercourse is the most effective method of preventing unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV
3. Provides values-based education and offers students the opportunity to explore and define their individual values as well as the values of their families and communities
4. Includes a wide variety of sexuality related topics, such as human development, relationships, interpersonal skills, sexual expression, sexual health, and society and culture
5. Includes accurate, factual information on abortion, masturbation, and sexual orientation
6. Provides positive messages about sexuality and sexual expression, including the benefits of abstinence
7. Teaches that proper use of latex condoms, along with water-based lubricants, can greatly reduce, but not eliminate, the risk of unintended pregnancy and of infection with sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) including HIV
8. Teaches that consistent use of modern methods of contraception can greatly reduce a couple's risk for unintended pregnancy
9. Includes accurate medical information about STDs, including HIV; teaches that individuals can avoid STDs
10. Teaches that religious values can play an important role in an individual's decisions about sexual expression; offers students the opportunity to explore their own and their family's religious values
11. Teaches that a woman faced with an unintended pregnancy has options: carrying the pregnancy to term and raising the baby, or carrying the pregnancy to term and placing the baby for adoption, or ending the pregnancy with an abortion

so do you, in fact, agree with me?

 

See folks, Patriot News isn't about a rational, logical debate....he's just about having the last word. Like all propagandist, he's about repeating the lies and distortions often and loud, hoping they will pass as truth. Sad, but not unexpected.

 

I have a serious question to the OP. In your opening post you said abstinence is better than promiscuity yet the facts are people are going to have sex if they want to. As someone who is against abortion are you or are you not for birth control and contraception and for more extensive education on sex in general in order to help prevent the possibility of abortions happening in the first place? Whilst abstinence maybe to you the most appropriate way to go would you not agree that by at least people using contraception and birth control measures that it would help prevent what you find to be most abhorrent?

I'm interested to read what you answer me with.

 

Unless you use the "Reply with Quote" feature the OP won't know you're addressing them.

 

Yeah true but I couldn't be bothered to quote the whole OP as its super long haha.

 

If you click on the "Reply with Quote" you don't have to be bothered quoting the OP, it does it automatically.

 

The author of the OP is not interested in anything that disagrees with their opinion, they are not interested in anything other than their own voice, they claim to support sex education but then run away when asked exactly what sex education they support, they say they support contraception and then run away when asked exactly what types of contraception they support AND if they support free at source contraception of ALL types. They make claims such as saying science agrees with them that "life begins at conception" when the reality is that science does not fully support them. They have no interest in actually disputing what others provide except to simply deny it.

All in all the author of the OP is pointless.