Late-term abortion & adoption

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Ronstar, Sep 25, 2015.

  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is exactly opposite logic. Rather, if someone wanted to force everyone to smoke crack they should have to do so themselves.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you don't support ANY abortion restrictions?

    its ok to kill the fetus 1 hour before childbirth at 9 months?

    as long as its inside the womb, its mommy's property to do as she pleases?
     
  3. FoxHastings

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    That's a silly question. No mentally stable woman goes through 9 months of pregnancy to have an abortion.

    And, it's terrible that you can't comprehend the law but the law does not allow elective late term abortions....why can't you EVER answer why you can't comprehend that???

    Canada has NO abortion laws and they do NOT have women gleefully waiting 8-9 months just to have an abortion. In fact, their entire abortion rate is lower than the US.
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the law in some states allow late-term abortions to protect the mental health of the mother, even if the fetus is healthy and viable.
     
  5. OKgrannie

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    An attempt is always made to induce labor or do a C-section to try to save the child. If the fetus is under 24 weeks, it is usually not possible.
     
  6. FoxHastings

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    Yes, if that's true .....so? ....
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Mental health IS causing a problem to the female (there is no mother until the birth unless she already has born children), furthermore the mental health issue has to be a severe form of mental health.

    Most doctors use the WHO definition of health when dealing with abortions for mental health reasons - "Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity." - http://www.who.int/about/definition/en/print.html

    Most people are uncomfortable with late-term abortions .. however that uncomfortable feeling should have no relevance to other people. I personally advocate the Canadian model concerning abortion ie that it is not a state issue, it is a medical issue and as such is left to the medical community to decide, strangely using that method Canada has an overall lower abortion rate that the US, and has a lower rate in late-term abortions that the US, where as countries with greater restrictions appear to have a higher rate of abortions over all.

    Add into this better comprehensive sex education and free at source contraception (of all types) and the abortion rate in the US would decline significantly.
     
  8. Bowerbird

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    Vast majority of cases they do

    Late term abortions for healthy foetuses is a myth.

    Yes there are some cases but they are rare

    What woman waits eight months and THEN decides - 'why bother'?
     
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    Why are they 'dangerous drugs'

    It is not because of proven individual harm - otherwise we would make all high sugar products illegal - it is because of societal harm
     
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    What I don't understand with late term abortions is the mother surely has had weeks if not months to decide whether or not she wants the child. Why would you leave it all this time to THEN make the decision of aborting it? It doesn't make any sense to me.

    Now if it is a health issue then that is different but if it is simply because of a decision to not want the child and the child is perfectly healthy then morally I cannot in any way shape or form support it.

    Regardless of that however my position on abortion is that it is too sticky of a moral question for the government to be involved with. Get the government out of abortions entirely and leave it to be a decision between patient and doctor. That's it.
     
  11. FoxHastings

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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    I have a serious problem with the drug prohibition laws notwithstanding the simple fact that prescription drugs, not illegal drugs, represent the greatest drug problem in America today.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Good. I see absolutely no problem with this and wonder why anyone would.
     
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    All late term are based upon a medical diagnosis where the health of the woman is the key necessity in authorizing the abortion so can we assume that you support all late term abortions?
     
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    Women have far more sense than male Republican lawmakers. That's not surprising because male Republicans lawmakers have no sense at all when it comes to issues that affect women.
     
  16. FoxHastings

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    They suffer from an age old affliction called, "I am white Male and everyone else is less than me".

    They also suffer from the syndrome of "I say I am against abortion because I need whackjob's votes but , man, if my mistress/daughter gets pregnant it's off to the clinic.""
     
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    I get that, I was talking about my moral view of the issue.


    Unfortunately there aren't many small/limited government republicans or politicians anymore :(.
     
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    If that is the case with US law then yes of course.
     
  19. Ronstar

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    this includes mental health.

    and i don't agree with that.
     
  20. Bowerbird

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    in the case of peri-partum depression which is a real and life threatening condition they will most likely do an early caesarean - late term abortions are usually for foetal abnormality and overwhelmingly for abnormality incompatible with life
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    A rather disparaging opinion on mental health that is equally important when compared to the physical health of the person. This is probably because of a lack of knowledge and understanding related to mental health issues. For example are you aware that just one mental health problem (chronic depression) results in the 10th leading cause of death (suicide) in the United States? Are you aware that mental illness can result in disabilities equal to or greater than many physical disabilities?

    While making a value judgment may not be accurate I would be of the opinion that a person's mental health is, in many cases, far more important than their physical health.
     
  22. Bowerbird

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    That is because the late term abortion done on a whim is a construct of the proifers

    The overwhelming majority of late term abortions are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life
     
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    The op is talking about late gestation babies....and you think it's ok to kill it because of discomfort?
     
  24. Bowerbird

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    :wall: Late term abortions are not done for the mother but the foetus - usually because it is dying, about to die or will never live
     
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    So untrue. Abortion is not done for the sake of the fetus. It's done because a woman will wait too long, because she fears the child might be disabled or imperfect in some way. The common reason for abortion is to remove a "problem"
     

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