Because law-abiding citizens do not constitute a threat to public safety. And it is possible that a law-abiding citizen could have the tools to deal with a nutcase intent on shooting the place up. Think about it--even the most deranged lunatic intent on taking some people out is going to pick a place where he knows he'll likely encounter the least resistance. Why do we never hear stories of someone walking into a police station and shooting the joint up? Because he knows he'll get off about one or two rounds (if that) before he's dispatched quite quickly to the pearly gates... If I'm going to go on a shooting rampage, I'll look for one of those "gun free zones."
USa colleges seem boring. With these views of over responciblity to the point want Juniors to handle firearms. Maybe gun owners need councelling. A GUN is not the most important thing in college years!
I never grew up around guns. It does seem interesting. Different worlds i imagine. Although the need for guns in my univerties was not there. It is worrying to read these views though, when kids have to take guns to college. Is it really that violent?
No it is not that violent, the idea is that someone could fight back if a nutcase showed up on their campus since they seem to target gun free zones. The allowance of carry on campus may have the net effect of these nutcases going to some other gun free zone. It obviously does not happen all the time.
Another college shooting, this time in Oregon... Gunman Opens Fire at Oregon Community College, Killing 7 October 1, 2015 | - A gunman opened fire at an Oregon community college Thursday, killing at least seven people and wounding 20, authorities said.
I've been shooting since before I was ten. I grew up with the family gun safe in my bedroom. I taught my sister's daughter how to shoot at the age of five. If you can't trust yourself with a gun I won't fault you for not getting one but to think nobody at college age can be responsible is idiotic.
Universities and colleges generally ban all methods of self defense for students - no firearms, no tasers, no pepper spray. Basically, they set up women for rape and that strategy works quite well for rapists.
How can this be? the College does not allow guns to be openly carried or used: Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited. Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4 is prohibited. Brandishing weapons is prohibited. Misuse of personal defensive weapons e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices. You must be mistaken Walt - couldn't have happened, there are gun control LAWS to prevent it.
I've never heard of a proposal that would allow anything but concealed carry permit holders to carry guns on campus. I don't know of any state that allows people under 21 to get CCW permits. That said, when I was in college, there were no laws about having guns in dorms. Never heard of a problem with them. (and the drinking age was 19 then). - - - Updated - - - We're talking 18 year olds. They aren't "juveniles" rather they are young adults, that are capable of being drafted and issued fully automatic weapons. - - - Updated - - - Well, I think back to when I was that age, and I had access to a dozen firearms. Couldn't legally carry, but at that time it was harder to get CCW permits. It's interesting to me that most anti-gunners profess that they are untrustworthy people who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. Maybe, they are just projecting themselves on the rest of us. - - - Updated - - - I'd have no trouble trusting my 17 year old son to carry a gun to school. He's a safe responsible person. Again, I think you are projecting your lack of responsibility at that age to the rest of the world.
The colleges in Colorado (for example) that allow concealed carry on campus dont' seem to have a problem. http://www.armedcampuses.org/colorado/
Banning firearms on campuses has turned them into rape and killing zones. - - - Updated - - - As always, everyone murdered was unarmed and unable to fight back, defend themselves or anyone else.
I wouldn't either and neither did my parents. I didn't own a gun until I was supporting myself and I have been nothing but responsible. I have 2 sons who are college aged. My 22 year old is in the military and can have his guns whenever he wants them. (He is not allowed to have them on base where he lives at the moment.) My 19 year old is not allowed to keep his guns in his room until he can support himself and move out. Guns stay under MY control in MY house, especially as long as my younger son and sometimes great niece are still in the house. If my sons don't like it, they can take their guns and leave. I'll see them at Christmas. Let adults make their decisions. How many college students are prior military or older adults going back to school? Wasn't somebody's grandmother in the class where this punk was executing people yesterday? Wasn't an unarmed military vet shot 5 times by this punk? Why can't college professors carry a gun on a college campus? In this incident alone, there were at least 3 adults in the room who after passing a background check would be deemed suitable to carry a gun just about anywhere else. Why were they not allowed to defend themselves?
Obviously only a far wider-reaching ban on guns is going to make any difference. Whether it's a school, a city or even an entire state, having a ban in just one small area does not prevent criminals from bringing guns in and doing what they want to do with them. The only effective way to combat these mass shootings is to prevent the shooters from ever getting the guns and ammo in the first place, OR to intervene before these people become mass shooters. Take your pick, eh. Otherwise there will likely be no change no matter what new policies are tried. Even having armed guards everywhere is questionable, and the expense involved would be great as well. Keep these nuts from obtaining and using these weapons - that is paramount.
Eh, who says they weren't allowed to defend themselves? Maybe they just weren't expecting a shooter to show up at their school, just as we don't expect shooters to show up where we work, shop, eat, drink, whatever.
While they may not have chosen to carry a gun anyway, they were denied the chance to make that decision. They were forced to work or study elsewhere or depend on the college to protect the whole campus with an unarmed security guard. The victims and their families should be suing whoever forced them to be unarmed if they refuse to protect them.
They need to ban psychos on college campuses. Chris Mercer was a bona-fied nut. He went to special needs school and left in 2009. He tried to join the Army but was chaptered-out only after 1 month. He would yell at neighbors and displayed other psychotic behaviors. Certainly, he was on Lithium---as one of his screen names indicates. Was the Leftist news isn't showing: any pictures of his Black mom. who his psychiatrist(s) is or were than failed to treat him or report his nutty behavior to the locals. his worthless gun background check forms where he lied again and again about his "credentials." Back in the day, one of my colleges hired me on a night shift in a dorm to watch out for a similar nutty, strange guy. So again, there needs to be "nut-free zones" in college. Not gun-free zones.
It's a college, not an army base. It's plain madness that anyone should even have to think about guarding it from gun-toting madmen. And you know what? If every college were locked down and no shooter could wreak havoc there, they'd just go somewhere else where lots of people congregate.
You're just another person who wants it formal government policy that everyone is unable to defend themselves and all easy victims to rape, robbery, assault and murder. Every murdered victim in every mass shooting was unarmed and defenseless - EXACTLY as you want them to be. You WANT people to be easy targets and victims. Want EVERYWHERE to have signs reading 'FREE KILLING ZONES." Then you can use this to call for unlimited money and power for government and for all us peasants to gravel at the feet of government begging the government to protect us. You WANT every murderous and rapist "nut" to be guaranteed by government that they can kill, rob, beat and rape as many defenseless people as they want, assuring them it is a criminal offense for anyone to be able to defend themselves or anyone else. You want people to be easy victims. Just admit it.
Yep, I just want everyone to be easy pickings for every madman that comes along. And you want every madman out there to be armed.
The school, the parents, his psychiatrists, and the legislators that didn't prosecute his attempts to bypass NICS should all be sued and put in jail for allowing a madman to even attend the college.
Alcohol can be and was brewed at home during Prohibition; people would not be so able to make their own guns. They would have to be smuggled in, but that's not so easy. I think it would do a lot for keeping guns away from these (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) loners who take advantage of the system as it is now to get loaded up and go on a shooting spree, because they would have to enter the criminal underworld just to get those guns, and that's a good barrier right there. It would also help to stop them before they could carry out their plan if just acquiring the guns is a criminal act, as this gives law enforcement a better chance of finding and catching them that soon. Look at how well tighter gun control works elsewhere. It's a good idea overall, I think, based on the statistics. - - - Updated - - - You guys might want to think this through more. You're looking at him as a madman with 20/20 hindsight.
Actually it's very easy to make your own gun. So there were no indications he was a lunatic until he picked up a gun and started shooting? It is the responsibility of the school, the legislators, and his doctors to accurately diagnose him and remove him from society. No one did that did they? No, you want to blame an inanimate object instead of all the people in all of these systems that failed to protect us.
You mean like Fort Hood? They were forced to be unarmed there also. Nobody would need to think about mass shootings if people were allowed the means to protect themselves.
