Syria crisis: Russian air strikes against Assad enemies

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  1. DonRumataEstorsky

    DonRumataEstorsky Banned

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    I know that Russia is weaker economically and have fewer army but it does more interesting will kick ass of NATO.
     
  2. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Please.

    Those days are LONG gone.

    If they ever existed at all.

    AboveAlpha
     
  3. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    I think you should take some lessons of English.

    When I don't understand something in English it's quite normal and pardonable as I'm not a native speaker.
    But when you have problems over perception and expression of ideas and thoughts, it becomes a very disturbing thing.
     
  4. cupid dave

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    What is coming is a major threat against Jerusalem,... probably the use of WMD in gas.
    The people will be told to ignore the threat, and f it takes place a Nuke will destroy Damascus:

    Isaiah 17 Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: (http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id252.html)

    1 The (oracle or) burden of Damascus, (the doom for the city: [Jeremiah 49, [605 BC, Nebuchadnezzar]; Zechariah 9, [322 BC, Alexander the Great] but here, there is no record of it being destroyed). Behold, Damascus, (the central hub of terrorism from Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and now Russia), is taken away (negated: [Tanach, Stone Edition]), from being a city, (it will cease to exist), and it shall be a ruinous heap.

    (NOTE: Damascus has never been destroyed before.)
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vladimir Putin is trying to reassure Netanyahu on his security concerns about Syria, especially now that Hezbollah and the Iranians are coming to support the Syrian Army.
     
  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet, what other nation would be able to sustain the fighting force Russia is able to sustain...and without any hardships on its people.

    Never underestimate Russia. That was Hitler's mistake. Russia's economy cannot be measured, because it's very size and natural wealth makes it self sustaining.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No takers then? I suppose that question is fated to drift around in cyberspace unanswered for ever and ever . . .

    amen. :mrgreen:
     
  8. Sly Lampost

    Sly Lampost New Member

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    That's your attempt at providing evidence? It sums you up perfectly, I think.
     
  9. Sly Lampost

    Sly Lampost New Member

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    I said:

    To which you respond:

    Yep, as I thought, you cannot support your allegations and so must revert to your usual techniques of deflection and bluster to avoid publicly stating that your posts are skewed personal opinions and not factually based.

    Questioned about evidence and facts you simply stick your fingers in your ears, close you eyes and hum loudly to yourself to drown out the questions. It's childish.

    By all means go ahead and repeat these falsehoods endlessly. I'll be here to pull you up on it endlessly too - always asking you to support your wandering mouth with hard evidence in the knowledge that I'll then be watching you squirm and wriggle in response.
     
  10. DixieJohn

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    I totally agree with you!
     
  11. Kiwi33

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    Don't underestimate the importance of CIA. It is the strongest organization... creating problems:smile:

    Russia now much more strongly than there was the USSR. And economically (many countries, including western - depend on Russia, on it the USA didn't manage to isolate Russia from Europe... on last week, Europeans opposed signing of the trade agreement with the USA...:wink:) and the army is much more effective in Russia than was in USSR. The USSR was simply bigger. Russia now too a superpower - you need to get used to it.:wink: The USA can't without consent with Russia fly over Syria. Other countries also.

    We have to understand that Russia - the member of the UN Security Council who has a veto and which armed forces are present at Syria. Whether we like it or not, but it is necessary to reckon with a position of Russia and its main interests have to be considered and coordinated by negotiations" — the head of committee on foreign affairs in the British parliament Crispin Blant declared.

    Russia tightly closed the sky over Syria for any planes, except the own.
    The American military expert, the ex-colonel of army Jack Jacobs reported that the United States can't place Russian in Syria as actually I established to Russia over it the closed zone, having blocked access to any aircraft about the help of the air defense systems deployed on the land and by the ships of the Russian fleet in the Mediterranean Sea there.

    etc.


    China superpower too and soon India... you need to get used it:wink:

    666 thieves - Obama's friends, have to understand it, honestly compete in the modern world with the interconnected economy, adhering to international law!
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    I am not underestimating Russia.

    Nor do I have anything against the Russian people.

    However PUTIN is stealing the wealth of Russia right out from under the noses of the Russian people.

    The United States and Russia have no issues currently that would case either side to attack the other and it has been like this even though the Cold War.

    But I am not going to pretend that Russian Military Force Projection Capabilities are greater than they actually are.

    The current status of Russian Military Force Projection is woefully poor and limited in the extreme.

    Russia is not currently capable of providing adequate supply lines for any substantial Russian Military Force that could exist much further than the currently existing one in Syria.

    Russia's Military is more of a Self Defense Force and not adequate to handling any Military campaigns any long distance from Russia.

    As it is now the Russian Military is experiencing a great amount of stress just to supply and continue current operations in Syria.

    AboveAlpha
     
  13. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Even Putin himself has said just last week in an interview on Charlie Rose that Russia is no longer a Super Power and that Russian's need to accept this.

    Those are Putin's own words...not mine.

    AboveAlpha
     
  14. AboveAlpha

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    What the HELL are you talking about??

    All I posted was that Putin and 110 of his Buddies own over 35% of the total Russian Wealth.

    This is a FACT!

    There are multiple websites that detail this including Forbes and Business Weekly.

    You posting other things does not change that fact.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Putin told - We have no obsession that Russia must be a superpower in the international arena. The only thing we do is protect our vital interests and in couple of days after, the Russian aircraft started bombing IGIS in Syria. After that air defenses in Syria placed. After that the Russian ships fired at positions of the IGIS terrorist group in the territory of Syria.

    Probably we will see soon, the heavy cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" with the aviagroup in Syria.

    Russia without obsession became the Superpower, defend the national interests, the sovereignty and independence outside own borders. :wink:
     
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    Comprehension of words is something you might consider working on a bit harder, because you seem to enjoy skating right past statements or facts you consider to be inconvenient.

    So, to elucidate: one person saying something is a fact doesn't make it a fact. And the reason this is so, is fairly easy for most people to understand. I appreciate that you don't fall into that category.

    In this respect I made an effort to discover the origin of those alleged facts of yours (i.e. Putin and his 110% buddies own 35% of Russian wealth), and learned they derived from just one person - a US academic with an interesting background and connections, which the US media have quoted endlessly, because it suits their propaganda objective of tarnishing Putin.

    To bring some semblance of balance to the discussion I also showed that you and America are in no position to cast aspersions again Putin or anybody else in the world because:

    Which you promptly ignored because it counteracts your agenda here.

    I do appreciate that, for you, the world must be either black or white - America being white and Russia being black. This is, for me, a childish view. Let's leave it at that.
     
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    What a complete LOAD OF BULL S#!# YOU HAVE JUST POSTED!!! LOL!!!

    MY GOD!!!

    I can SMELL it from here!!!

    FACT....PUTIN AND 110 RUSSIAN'S OWN OVER 35% OF ALL WEALTH!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  19. mikejones

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    Its a big reason I stopped posting/coming to this forum; a lot of the posters aren't very intelligent and the posting is really weak. Then you have the russian internet troll army lying for and cheering on their Dear Leader putin, and the threads just turn to (*)(*)(*)(*).

    The assad boot lickers seems to think that the dog bashar was an angel until 2011 when the uprising began, pretending (or are ignorant of) his multitude of murders of lebanese and syrians who tried to stand against his rule. Its as if magically he managed to retain power in a country where his tribe represented 15% of the country while he oppressed the other 85%, just laughable garbage. Then these same people will rail against Turkey or Israel for having "imperfect" democracies...the lunatic hypocrisy knows no bounds.
     
  20. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey Alpha, I see you're an admirer of Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister.

    [​IMG]
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/19/bashar-al-assad-950m-fortune

    "In peacetime, the Assads and their close friends owned around 60% to 70% of the country's assets, from land and factories to energy plants and licences to sell foreign goods. But Assad would find it difficult to liquidate such assets in the event of his regime's collapse."

    http://www.cnbc.com/2013/09/20/assads-money-trail-is-hard-to-trace.html

    ""In some of the largest economic sectors—electricity, petroleum, and telecommunications—Makhlouf has used government instruments to squeeze out legitimate businessmen, receive lucrative public contracts, establish cash cows and then milk them with impunity from oversight or competition," the cable said. "Significantly, several of his ventures exploit weaknesses in the Syrian economy and undermine reform efforts while increasing the burden on Syria's lower classes.""

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/17/inside-the-hunt-for-assad-s-billions.html

    "One target of Syria’s asset hunters is Rami Makhlouf, a Syrian businessman and cousin of Assad who has been called “Mr. Five Percent” because of the cut he reportedly demanded of new businesses in Syria. In recent years, Makhlouf has owned large chunks of Syria’s national oil company, the country’s largest cell phone service provider, and the Ramak chain of duty free shops across the country."

    =======================

    There's your evidence, but I've no doubt you'll continue to be one of assad's most committed boot lickers, extolling his virtues and excusing away every one of the hundreds of thousands he's murdered. Quite the legacy and reputation to maintain.
     
  22. AboveAlpha

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    OK....1% of the Worlds Population owns 50% of the World Wealth....now let's compare that to only 111 Russian's owning 35% of total Russian Wealth.

    1% of the entire Russian Population would be 1% of approx. 145 Million People or 1.45 Million.

    If Russia averaged out like the rest of the world then 1.45 Million Russian's would own 50% of Russian wealth but they do not!!!!

    ONLY 111 RUSSIAN'S OWN 35% OF TOTAL RUSSIAN WEALTH!!!

    ONLY 111 PEOPLE!!!

    111.......ONE HUNDRED AND ELEVEN.....just in case you can't get that through your skull!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    NEVER post anything like this to me again Jeannette!!!!

    I have FAMILY MEMBERS who DIED FIGHTING THE NAZI'S!!!

    As well I have family members who died fighting the Japanese!

    It's not funny so cut it out!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  24. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Alpha let me explain, not that it will make any difference since you seem to have an agenda. Sharon Tennyson who worked there and knew Putin said she didn't know how Putin would handle the powerful oligarchs. What Putin decided was that instead of having the state confiscate their ill gotten wealth, he would let them keep it and let the country run on a capitalist system like the US, providing they paid their taxes and didn't intervene in politics.

    The criminals who refused left, but Khodorovsky didn't and eventually ended up in jail for tax evasion. Putin allows them to keep their wealth, but he makes sure a lot of it goes for the common good. It was the oligarchs that carried most of the cost of the Olympic games.

    Unlike Washington where the president is at the mercy of certain oligarchs, in Russia the oligarchs are at the mercy of Vladimir Putin...and they are grateful to him. He can nationalize their wealth if he wanted to, and he has the state structures behind him for support.

    This is something Washington couldn't understand. They thought that if they sanctioned the oligarchs and cut into their profits, they would stop supporting Putin, and they would put someone into office that was more beneficial to them. Washington like idiots, also didn't take into account their patriotism, and the patriotism and national pride of the Russian people.

    You don't tell former empires what to do, and Russia was always an empire. Now I could have told them that. What a bunch of dopes. :roll:

     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't understand you. You support those with Nazi supremacist mentalities like the Bandera followers in Western Ukraine, even when you know they are committing genocide on the people of the Donbas, yet you get upset when I mentioned Goebbles brain washing method of repeating something often enough so it will be believed.
     

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