A simple relevant question at this time

So-------------how did gun control laws work in Paris?

 

Gun control laws had nothing to do with the tragedy that has happened in Paris.

 

Gun murders per 100,000
France: .22
US: 3.55

Gun murders in the US are 16 times higher than in the France. So yeah, gun control in France works quite well.

How did all your guns work on 9/11?

 

Ben Carson could have foiled it. He would have been the first to rush the terrorists.

 

22 is more than 3.55.

 

The terrorist's belt buckles would have protected them.

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It's point two two.

 

Yes, you have made your point.

 

Ah, didn't see the decimal point. Still you didn't actually offer a source, just posted blind numbers and expected everyone to just accept them.

 

The source is a list compiled here. The original sources for the list can be found in the footnotes at the bottom of the page.

 

I see it as point .22 not 22.

 

Thanks for the source. Those numbers are flawed, they're based on real numbers rather than percentages. America is almost a 1/2 billion strong, we're going to have more of everything compared to France. That doesn't necessarily make it more likely. Give me numbers that are based on percentages or this is meaningless.

 

The numbers are per 100K so they are proportionate to population. But if you insist on actual percentages do the math yourself. The numbers needed to do it are right in front of you.

 

Does France have their own version of Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc?

 

That is why the rate per 100,000 is used. It is not the total numbers of murders that makes the US have a higher percentage, it is the rate.

 

No. The 100k is just to make the math easier. You take those stats and multiply by however much you need to in order to get the total. It's like counting in groups of 10 because it's faster than counting 1 by 1. It's not a percentage. The US has a population several magnitudes more than France's. Something happening in greater numbers isn't the same thing as it happening more often when you have that kind of discrepancy.

 

The assertion, "gun control in France works quite well" is interesting based on the data you linked.

Specifically the source of the statistics come from this link...

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france

And according to that page, France's civilian population owns an estimated 19 million guns yet that page also shows there are only 2.8 million registered guns. In fact the goal of gun control is in controlling the ownership of guns. The theory being, the byproduct of fewer guns is less violence committed using guns. Can there be more gun violence when there are fewer guns available? Yes.

Clearly, France's gun control laws do not work based on the data you based your assertion on. For every legally registered gun in France there are 5.78 illegal guns. There are over 5 times as many illegal guns in France as there are legal guns and you claim gun control works?

Do you believe in the tooth fairy also?

So, if gun control laws in France do not work and we've established that they do not, then why is there less gun violence in France than there is in the U.S.?

 

they worked great on 9/11... not a single gun was used... lol

 

Guns per 100K:
France: 31
US: 112

Looks like gun control is working in France.

 

Not well...

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So people weren't shot?

 

Duhhhh, no S Sherlock, where there's fewer guns there's going to be fewer "gun murders", that doesn't mean there's less murder. How many times are hypocrites like yourself going to try and make this stupid argument. "Gun murders" yeah like murders with guns are all that matter. Is someone killed with a gun more dead then someone killed another way? How about just murders, all murders, or better yet all violent crime, even better all crime.


BTW that rate when up a little higher now.

I'll tell you this, there's no F'n way 3 muslims with AKs would be able to kill 89 Americans before they got there dick loving asses killed.

 

Try to stick to the thread topic which is guns.

But to respond to your point....
Murders per 100K by all methods:
France: 1
US: 4.7

And since you're not good at math murders per 100K people is proportional to population.

 

Source, without the insults?

What's your nationality?

BTW even if the stats are accurate, we in the US don't have a gun problem, we have a black problem. Remove inner city black crime from the stats and we have a very peaceful country.

 

Says the guy who a few posts ago called me a hypocrite.

Get lost.

 

You made a common hypocritical, illogical, and clearly biased false argument. It's not my fault your argument was so poor, I only called you out on it.

Nor is it my fault that you for some reason feel the need to hide your nationality. What am I to think?

So does this mean you concede?

 

Proportional statistics allows different sizes of population to be analyzed without bias to the total numbers involved. That is why the rate per 100k is used. The fact is that there are more murders here in the United States than in France is incontrovertible. How we interpret that data Is where the politics comes in.