9 11 John Kerry Admits that WTC7 Was Brought Down By Controlled Demolition!

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    I am referring to both.

    Their list of architects and engineers is actually a list of people who proclaim themselves architects or engineers and are never checked or verified. This makes them nothing more than anyone from any normal background with maybe a few real architects and engineers thrown into the mix. Their website has been around for over a decade and the number has not grown plenty of people have been proven to be on that list who are not what they claim. Some have even proven that no verification is made by simply joining the website and signing the petition while lying about their background.

    The call they make is not a verification it is merely talking to the person who signed up and no other screening or check is made
     
  2. phoenyx

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    You seem to have missed the bit after making personal contact with prospective signers of the A&E Architects and Engineers list: "After making personal contact with each signer, the volunteer reviews the signer’s credentials." Finally, on a note of the list of supporters that I actually didn't know about: "Even the thousands of people who sign our petition in the “others” category are reviewed for valid emails, phone numbers, and other criteria. While reviewing the body of other supporters, we have found many amazingly skilled individuals ranging from physicists to lawyers and veterans. In fact, many people in the others category are also architects or engineers by trade, but without the credentials we need for the professionals category. Please visit and read some of the testimonies from either category, as both have much to offer. "
     
  3. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No I did not miss it.

    Review does not mean verify.

    It works like this. You sign up at the website, tell them your an engineer or architect who designs or builds skyscrapers, they call you and chat for a while and then re-read your claim. Poof a mcdonalds employee becomes an engineer
     
  4. phoenyx

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    Once again, you are mistaken. From another article at A&E: **First the web search is done to see if there is any information available on the petition signer. The verifier finds the architect's or engineer's license and records it in the notes on the database. If the architectural or engineering professional is not licensed but has a degree in architecture or engineering, he or she is asked to email or fax a copy of his or her diploma. Many petition signers are not able to find their diplomas, but are able to give us their birth date, name of the university and discipline in which the degree was earned. Mark Phillips is able to take this information and get proof of credentials for them. When the verifier has proof of license or proof of degree, it is entered in the records and the architectural or engineering professional is displayed on the petition. Finally the verifier sends an email notifying the person that they are displayed on the petition and thanking them for their support.** Source: http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/138-verification-team-assures-a-sound-foundation.html
     
  5. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Sorry not true.

    Like many groups who claim to be something they are not AE911 does none of these things.

    This is simply proven by many people who have deliberately signed up under false credentials and been accepted.
     
  6. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    And you want me to take the word of a guy who calls himself soupnazi over that of an establishment founded by known Architect Richard Gage and which has been around since 2006. Sorry, not going to happen.
     
  7. Soupnazi

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    He has publically admitted all that I said.

    He has also misrepresented himself.

    His architectural background is designing outdoor swimming pools.

    True fact.

    He is ignorant about structures such as WTC and like the rest of the morons on his website is without expertise or credibility
     
  8. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    In a proper debate, the -both- sides are supposed to present evidence for their claims. The way things are going, I'm the only one who's doing this.

    You might as well claim that the sky is purple and say "true fact" to that as well. This is the claims made the Architects and Engineers page for his architectural achievements: **Mr. Gage has worked on most types of building construction, including numerous fire-proofed, steel-framed buildings. Most recently, he worked on the construction documents for a $400M mixed-use urban project with 1.2 million square feet of retail, a parking structure, and 320,000 square feet of mid-rise office space.** Source: http://www.ae911truth.org/27-home/carousel/20-carousel-1-aenean-sem-metus.html

    As I suspected, you are now attempting to plunge this debate into ad hominem attacks (not yet on the person you're debating, but I suspect it's just a matter of time). I spent over a year debating issues related to the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings; amoung the people on my side of the debate was one of the signatories on the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a man named Tony Szamboti. The guy knows this stuff backwards and forwards. I have never seen anyone debate this stuff with such ease. He'd run circles over anyone I've ever seen debating him. Here's one of the papers that he worked on with 2 other authors... http://rethink911.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Szuladzinski.Johns_.Szamboti.pdf
     
  9. Eadora

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    Ridiculous, baseless unproven Clutter


    Face it "soupy" - the "phoenyx" has made a mess of your case ! :smile:

    To continue to insist on Ridiculous Lies in the face of Incontrovertible Fact
    ...................................................................................... is patently Irrational


    Incontrovertible - NIST DEBUNKED
    New 9/11 Documentary by Tony Rooke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw#t=563

    .[video=youtube;y5UyynjxAyw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw#t=563[/video]
     
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    More youboob fluff?........Fail.
     
  11. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Willful Ignorance & naked ridicule :chew: - the best you can do ? ---- Fail :mrgreen:

    "There is a principle, which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which
    .......... cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation"

    ............................................................................................................................William Paley

    Deal with some of the Facts brought forward, or stay under your rock

    "Molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed [from WTCs 1 & 2.
    He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon."


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  12. Soupnazi

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    Phoenyx lost the argument badly as have you.

    You have never of presented any fact and the evidence proves you wrong.

    The you tube video you posted is not fact little one
     
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    Big deal. Why is it that after 14 years none of these so-called 'experts' have produced an academic paper and put it up for peer review?

    I can show you 50 papers from independent sources that support the NIST report and yet, despite all the bluster and noise from AE911T, we have nothing from their camp of 'experts'.

    Experts like Chandler who couldn't even get the collapse time for 7WTC right?
     
  14. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    No 'molten steel' was found under the rubble,there would have to be a heat source as hot as a blast furnace for that...convection would have made the site unworkable

    And there was NO mystery about why 7 failed....It was damaged by the collapse of the towers......So I'm not the ignorant one
     
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    What do you think the supposed 'molten steel' actually means, and how does this prove a controlled demolition to you?
     
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    He takes an income of $500,000 per annum from donations-donations meant for a new investigation-and produces nothing, no papers, no case, nothing of substance and yet people still line up to throw cash at this clown because of their confirmation bias.

    Barnum, as ever, was right.
     
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    Tony Szamboti's claims were addressed and debunked by the engineers at ISF:

    http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64

    All of Szamboti's claims have been debunked here and judicious use of the search function will provide you with the relevant threads. Do not dismiss this site out of hand as truthers often do, as Tony is a member and often tries to defend his theories in these discussions , however, he has had little success.

    Another site worth investigating is Metabunk:

    https://www.metabunk.org/9-11.f28/

    This site also hosts several engineers and Tony often participates in these discussions.
     
  18. Kokomojojo

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    Oh yeh mega bunk hosted by commandant mick: "Just explain why you are unable to post the actual model, or I'll ban you."

    A real pleasure to debate with as he directs all threads to his own ends not those of the posters. Worth looking at what some of the people post yeh worth posting if you dont agree with the commandant, not really.
     
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    aRe YoU SurE AbOut tHat?
     
  20. Blues63

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    Well, it is pretty obvious why Mick would give you so much butthurt. He doesn't tolerate your kind of debating style, and rightly so. No doubt you couldn't back up your claim as usual.
     
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    nope hes the one with butt hurt. I left because he manipulates the subject matter to match his political agenda then quickly closes the thread with bogus conclusions. He is not as bad as most posers but he nonetheless leans heavy to the official lie, which he cannot backup any more than you have. "zippo"!
    The only thing I really seen him do well was when he shot down the roosd idiots. bravo on that one, otherwise most of the 911 material is trash. Much the same as you people put up here.
     
  22. Eadora

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    Well I suppose that if you can make allegations that we outright Lie - then I can be allowed a retort


    You make an Absolutely Hilarious assertion - :smile: - 'no facts presented' :roflol:

    There were plenty of Facts in the materials I sourced to - Your overt Willful Ignorance will simply not
    ....................................... allow you to perceive them, let alone Deal With Them in any meaningful way.

    They utterly disprove & contravene the LIEs you have sold out to, & so you simply deny there existence -

    They are in reality quite easy to grasp for someone who has not dedicated his self to a LIE -
    All you have offered on this thread is your empty one liners, Ridicule, whitewash, disinformation,
    .......................................................................................................... misinformation & Bald LIE -

    Sir - You have been squashed - smeared like a BUG on a windshield
    Your arrogant Debunking has been thoroughly discredited & DEBUNKED
    ......................................... & you seem not even aware of your humiliation :roflol:



    You remind me of Monty Pythons Black Knight - Absolutely Hilarious

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4


    BTW
    The only 'little one' here is the person who puts no arms of legs to his argument :mrgreen:

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  23. Eadora

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    You believe a proven Absurdity
    Molten Steel was in Fact found - Fact is even evaporation of metal was shown to have occurred

    High Temperatures,
    Persistent Heat & 'Molten Steel' at WTC Site Contradict Official Story

    http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/347...eel-at-wtc-site-challenge-official-story.html


    The Claim that There Was No Molten Steel or Iron in the WTC

    http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/
     
  24. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Well if your Rational Mind cannot reach a conclusion in this regard
    ................................. I can only suggest you use your Imagination
     
  25. LoneStrSt8

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    Answer the question....
     

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