Where was the Militia???????

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    So police can aim sniper rifles at protesters, but someone looking through a barricade is a terrible person?
     
  2. Mr_Truth

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    Police aim guns at law abiding blacks during BLM rallies much to the delight of the radical right wing.
     
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    The militia was to be a state run and trained army with officers approved by the Federal government who could be used in state and called up during time of war at the request of the Federal Government. During the Civil War clearly not all the States did so which showed the weakness of the system since governors could say no. So after they moved sensibly to standing Federal Army and later the National Guard system to replace the militia.

    But on paper the Militia is a broad group to include law abiding males and such under the Federal Law, so if say in WW2 the Germans and Japanese invaded they would face a lot of armed citizens who were able to be pressed into the defense of their local areas which clearly made the Axis nervous.
     
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    Pretty sure there were quite a few armed protesters out there as well. That whole fiasco was nothing but stupid on display for all sides. Bundy, his supporters, the federal government, all of them were acting like window lickers. Bundy broke the law and that land wasn't his. The government didn't need to act like they were moving in on a terrorist training camp. And all the mouth breathers standing around with Bundy out there acting tough and manly need to find a hobby, any hobby, that doesn't involve strutting around with their guns thinking they are some kind of defender of freedom and liberty.
     
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    That same idea is useful to you today.
     
  6. Wolverine

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    Apparently their guns were defenders of freedom and liberty because Bundy's door was not kicked in military raid style.
     
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    And what does this have to do with the fact that none of Congress' enumerated powers would allow them to prohibit people from forming an organization for the purpose of practicing military tactics with weapons?
     
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    Just Bad management.
     
  9. TheResister

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    I'm not sure I understand Ronstar. He disputes the legitimacy of the militia and then wants to know where they were when his favorite political issues were making headlines.

    In Georgia, when a BLACK farmer was about to lose his farm to foreclosure, armed citizens did step in and prevent the sale. That was my first exposure to that kind of activism. The guy's name was Oscar Lorick. So, yeah, Ronstar, the militia was there. Where were YOU?
     
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    >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<< There was no militia present in the Lorick incident, there where tax-protesters though. :roll:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/16/us/armed-men-delay-eviction-of-a-georgia-farmer.html
     
  11. TheResister

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    Were you there?

    The left seems to think that effort was militia. BTW, many of those participants would help form the Militia of Georgia in 1987.

    http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/downloads/Levitas 2002 The terrorist next door.pdf

    How is it you keep getting away with calling people stupid just because you lack understanding and knowledge of the facts?
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that wasn't a Militia.

    it was just a bunch of guys with guns.
     
  13. TheResister

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    I would say that is your opinion.

    The actions that citizens took in the 1980s were no different than those the colonists took against the powers that be in 1775:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord
     
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    so now "The Militia" is just a bunch of guys with guns?

    hmmm..... ;)
     
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    Where did I call you stupid? :yawn: Was I there? SMH Were you? :roflol: We both know you weren't.

    Who cares what the left thinks about it? The Heritage Library Broadside wasn't militia, they were tax-protesters, try reading your link, page 3. Humphreys isn't even mentioned until page 264 of the book. https://books.google.com/books?id=a...e&q=the terrorist next door humphreys&f=false

    I lack understanding and knowledge? :roflol:
     
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    If you don't understand the difference between the militia in 1775 verse the wanna-bee morons of today, then I suggest obtaining an actual education in history from the public library. :roll:
     
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    ... just a muster call away.
     
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    MOD EDIT - Rule 5
    MOD EDIT - Rule 3

    Be that as it may, the colonists who came here were trying to go somewhere that would be more conducive to Freedom and Liberty. The men who stood against King George were, by liberal standards, just a bunch of men with guns. They were not "authorized" to rebel.

    The colonists were simply working people that stood against the governing powers of the time. The men and women of today are no different.

    In the times of the colonists, those working to secure Liberty went to great lengths to get to their destination. According to the Declaration of Independence:

    "In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence
    ."

    Patrick Henry also addressed that aspect of the work that went into their efforts:

    "Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned - we have remonstrated - we have supplicated - we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne.

    In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free - if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending - if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained - we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!.
    .."

    http://www.patrickhenrycenter.com/Speeches.aspx#LIBERTY

    After more than thirty years of research I think I understand what the founding fathers were about. I don't need you to critique my education. It speaks for itself. IMOD EDIT - Rule 3

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3
    There is NO difference between the militia of today and the colonists who founded this country.

    The Patriot Network, the action arm of the militia of the 1990s through early 2000s, had historians and legal teams looking at how our Liberty was being threatened and we worked (and still work) through the proper channels to bring about a just resolution. At the same time, guided by qualified prior military service members, the militia of today tries to prepare itself for the inevitable.

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3 As for me personally, I have NO DELUSIONS about any civilian force going one on one against the federal government. What I do have is the realization that wars like this are fought in incremental steps, exhausting all the nonviolent political and legal avenues of redress first. I will also have you know that I've already stated - even on this board - that the "movement" (for lack of a more descriptive adjective) has not done enough in the political and judicial arena to justify extraordinary measures.

    I'm not sure what YOU want the militia to do in order to please you. I'm sure you can tell us. But, at the end of the day, I don't think this is about the militia. It's about you. The floor is yours, sir. You should tell the people what YOU propose to do in light of the fact that government has become unresponsive to the needs of its citizenry.
     
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    I believe we should "harass the Judicature" at every opportunity.
     
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    Peaceful protests of the sixties? Blacks were burning down the towns, and looting. It was Ferguson and Baltimore on steroids.

    In the wake of the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr, much of the country was in civil unrest. In May of 1968 in Louisville Kentucky, a group of around 400 African American civilians gathered at the intersection of 28 and Parkland to protest the possible reinstatement of a white police officer convicted of beating a black man only a few weeks prior. The situation only got worse as rumors that SNCC speaker Stokely Carmichael's plane scheduled to arrive in Louisville was being intentionally delayed by whites. Bottles began to be thrown and, before long, rioting broke loose. Stores were looted, fires were started, cars were overturned and two teenagers were killed. Police were powerless to stop the angry mob and it wasn't until the National Guard arrived on scene that the rioting ceased.

    http://www.brainz.org/riots/
     
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    Where was the State Militia?
     
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    Suppress history when it does not favor those in power. Standard practice of every .Gov in existence.
    Which is exactly why no Americans ever hear of this great historical event. A militia saves an election from tyrants. Yes it was in America 69 years ago. Not that far back that it should be forgotten, but it proves rifles in the hands of the citizens are not subjected to tyranny.


    http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

    Please inform at least one other about this incident, and them one more, and so on. It will help Americans know that the people are the power as designed by our Constitution.
     
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    The Intent and Purpose of the Militia is clearly proclaimed in our Second Amendment. Any Thing else is simple diversion.
     
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    So was my link a diversion or a good use of the militia?
     
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    Here is your answer; clearly and unambiguously: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
     

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