Health Spending in U.S. Topped $3 Trillion Last Year

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by BroncoBilly, Dec 2, 2015.

  1. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Oh what's a trillion here or a trillion there. This is what America deserves when they elect a community organizer twice, and who has never had a real job, and loves spending other people money.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/politics/health-spending-in-us-topped-3-trillion-last-year.html

    The spending report comes as the Obama administration is already on the defensive over rising premiums and deductibles on insurance policies sold through the health law’s exchanges. Last month, UnitedHealth Group, one of the nation’s largest health insurance companies, significantly lowered its profit estimates and blamed the federal health care law.
     
  2. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    16,627
    Likes Received:
    466
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Yea, I applied for my $2,500 per yr savings every year. Still waiting. But damn....by time I get it I'll have spent $5,000yr more, so it won't really help anyway. Shug.......
    But Obama's soooooooo cool, ain't he.
     
  3. Hard-Driver

    Hard-Driver Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2004
    Messages:
    8,546
    Likes Received:
    146
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Not sure how with more people covered by insurance, and the demographics of baby boomers aging, how we are not going to have increases in healthcare spending? The only way to do that would be with death panels... I guess that is what the right wingers would like?
     
  4. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Do you liberals ever take responsibility for promoting Obama's lying bull(*)(*)(*)(*)? This is what this inept liar said in 2013, and once more Obama is exposed as the liar he is.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-62-trillion-long-term-deficit-andrew-stiles

    GAO Report: Obamacare Adds $6.2 Trillion to Long-Term Deficit



    President Obama and other Democrats attempted to win support for the health-care bill by touting it as a fiscally responsible enterprise. “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits — either now or in the future,” Obama told a joint-session of Congress in September 2009. “I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period.” The new report exposes the “lack of honesty” surrounding such claims, Sessions argued. “The big-government crowd in Washington manipulated the numbers in order to get the financial score they wanted, in order to get their bill passed and to increase power and influence,” he said. “The goal was not truth or financial responsibility, but to pass the bill. This is how a country goes broke.”
     
  5. Alucard

    Alucard New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2015
    Messages:
    7,828
    Likes Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The next President will most likely do the same...a trillion here and a trillion there. It's not going to change.
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,180
    Likes Received:
    20,957
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The law was based on non-economic people trying to play economists(all the meanwhile hating the people who REALLY make money). Not surprisingly, it failed.
     
  7. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    82,348
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's an outrage! Why, I before Obamacare, health care costs never increased!

    Slow day in the RW propaganda blogosphere, eh?
     
  8. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Messages:
    33,092
    Likes Received:
    15,284
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Death panels?

    Do you mean like the death panels in ALL those other countries with national healthcare?

    Waiting months or even years to get a procedure/operation done is essentially a directive by a "death panel" playing with your life just like what is happening now in the UK...

    NHS: UK now has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world, according to OECD report
     
  9. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Exactly true, and the water carrying liars will defend this mess without hesitation
     
  10. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
  11. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    health care expenditures have been going up every year. As medicines become more expensive, we have people living longer, more diagnostic services becoming available to treat diseases earlier, and more people going to the doctor and use of other medical facilities, premiums do rise. Premium rates are based on the expectation of health care expenditures in current and future life span.

    You cannot blame Obama Obamacare. Health Care premiums have risen every year and were going in the high double digits in the late 1990's and early 2000's like 18% for some family PPO plans.

    But then again, if the United States citizenry were more like the Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans, we would not be in this mess, would we?>
     
  12. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And if you read this article, it disproves your BS partisan post.

    An except from the article
     
  13. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    If Americans were like the Japanese Chinese and Koreans we would not enjoy the fruits of our labor. Healthcare most certainly has risen higher since Obamacare, and you being a numbers guy can't seem to grasp the percentage of a higher increase
     
  14. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Yes, healthcare has risen steadily for Americans with private insurance, now with Obamacare, it not only rises for them personally, they will be forced to pay considerably more in taxes, and it raises our debt to more to the point of collapse. That is something partisans like you don't want to admit

    More from Politifact:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...obamacare-health-care-premiums-going-35-45-5/

    "Yes, some people in some plans through some carriers in some states are, indeed, looking at rate hikes of ‘35 to 50 percent’ if they stick with those plans in 2016," said Charles Gaba, who runs the popular blog ACAsignups.net, which tracks Obamacare enrollment.
     
  15. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,768
    Likes Received:
    251
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ayuh,.... No shocker here, completely expected,....

    Anytime the government steps into anything, the price goes up,....
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    These conservative Asians have it right, dutifully work yourself to death at 60, before you ever get a chance to retire. Except for the rich, who never work at all and laugh at us dying to make them rich from the decks of their yachts.

    And it won't reduce the cost of healthcare by penny one, the care for the younger will simply become more expensive to make it up. After all, we can't REGULATE the cost of the most important thing we have in our lives, like we do nearly every other vital service.

    What is the MATTER with conservatives?, Do they honestly think for one second the rich will sweep them a few crumbs if they spend enough time kissing their behinds?
     
  17. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have seen it risen under Obamacare, but not to the extent the expenditures have risen historically in the past over the same time period. It is a slower growth to some extent, but health insurance companies are in Obamacare simply they see a profit for them and their shareholders. I am not saying that is bad, but that is what health insurance companies are in the business for no matter what type health care system the United States has.

    The Japanese health care system has a decreasing expenditure rate even though their population age is increasing. Chinese are very studious and entreneneurial who love and care for family while being materialistic at the same time. Koreans are simply a combination of Japanese and Chinese cultural expectations. and yet, they are the ones who save the most and enjoy the most the fruits of their labor in comparision to America.
     
  18. stepped_in_it

    stepped_in_it Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    May 22, 2015
    Messages:
    515
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    "After all, we can't REGULATE the cost of the most important thing we have in our lives
    HMMM........can you (or anyone) explain why many (if not all) other 1st world countries medical procedures cost 1/2 or less compared to the same procedure here in the USA? I'd link it but your Google works as well as mine and this has been WIDELY talked about for many years.

    What this community organizer should have gone after was health CARE reform. Not health INSURANCE. All he and his cohorts did was give a big boost to the health insurance industry, add another tax and add to the USA deficit....
     
  19. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Japan homes are the size of most Americans great rooms. Personally, I receive Veterans care, and mine has been just fine, and my thoughts that kind of care would be vastly better for the majority of Americans. When the need to expand their healthcare needs, start paying for a combination of private and government health care. The VA is like that now
     
  20. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True about Japanese homes, but in Japan, land is a premium, like Hawaii. 200 acres in Japan is like owning the King's Ranch in Texas. However, it does not negate the fact that Japanese do enjoy the fruits of their labor when they retire and have relatively lower health care costs than us. It has nothing to do with politics or political systems, it has to do with expectations, both as an individual and as a community. This study shows how we can learn from the Japanese with our health care. Although universal health care in the United States would never mimick Japanese universal health care, The Japanese, even those living in the United States, generally, have a far lower percentage of health care expenditures on their persons than the rest of the United States. That demostrates personal responsibility, something you should be able to agree, when it comes to health concerns and health prevention.

    As for the VA, that needs to be reformed and made into a quasi government organization similar to the Federal Reserve in its independence on how it manages care and personnel.
     
  21. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    My wife is Japanese born in Japan, so I am quite familiar with the Japanese culture, and their amenities. The truth about health insurance and how our government has really screwed it up is they are marketing this as if all 25 year old young people are going to die tomorrow, which is total BS. Catastrophic insurance for a 20 something is the most they need at very cheap rates, and of course as we age it becomes more important. The VA I use has been awesome, and each VA facility is different, so the casting of the VA as being horrible is a lie.
     
  22. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,877
    Likes Received:
    63,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    so what your saying is private insurance soaked up 3 trillion in profits?

    should we not get rid of them now?

    .
     
  23. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    Messages:
    29,824
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    83
    What I am saying Obama and his left wing nuts screwed the American people out of the $3 trillion of other peoples money. Read the rest of my posts because you may be surprised what I think about the governments involvement in healthcare
     
  24. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,877
    Likes Received:
    63,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    so the 3 trillion went where? into the economy? (does this include premiums, more insured, means more paying for insurance)

    did the consumer pick up the slack or did the insurance companies have to pay more, cause more people were going to the doctor? how much more did insurers make?

    when more people have coverage, more will go to the doctor

    .
     
  25. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    8,791
    Likes Received:
    798
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    U.S. people really enjoy to pay exorbitant prices for mediocre health care services, because somehow they think it is capitalism, Even though in any other place in the world people would call it price gouging, corruption and theft. It is really hard to understand why people are conditioned and brainwashed this way in America.
     

Share This Page