San Bernardino Shooters - Saudi Arabian

But you are damn lucky with the geographical location of your country

 

HMMM.......you'd be speaking German or Japanese right now if "War is never good"!

A broken clock is (at least) right twice as much every day as you..............

 

The reports I've read say that she pledged allegiance right before the attack.

And then there's this bit of info about her husband that just came out within the last hour:

 

Get real, indeed.

A lot of people, primarily Leftists and Islamist sympathizers (often one and the same), are desperately trying to pass this off as anything but another Islamist attack on American soil. You would not believe the excuses that National Public Radio has been peddling, and all the Democrats can talk about are guns.

 

Very true. I feel sorry for Europe having to deal with the humanitarian crisis that we created.

 

Yeah Yeah ... this Political correct BS gets me riled up as well.

Don't forget though that the GOP is just as knee deep (well almost as knee deep) in their support for Islamic terrorists in Syria as the Dems.

Both Red and Blue worship the military head of the Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion monster that runs this country.

Voting for Red so that Blue does not get in or vice versa will never solve the problem. The problem is that both need to be turfed.... we need something different as voting in either color will only generate more of the same.

 

He visited Saudi Arabia for a few months and then came back. Of course he is saudi arabian. Saudi Arabia never gets called out to aid in the fight against ISIS in Syria. And this stinking country is our ally?

 

How do you "cut ties" with Saudi Arabia when they control so much of the world's oil reserves?

There is a way of course.

Move quickly towards renewables.

I doubt Republicans understand the importance of doing that

 

holmes

 

The couple responsible for this massacre are not Saudi Arabian. The husband (ethnic origin - Pakistan) was American, born in Illinois and the wife was born in Pakistan. The only Saudi connection is their embrace of the most virulent sect of Islam - Wahhabism, an extremely fundamental Sunni branch. How Pakistan enters the picture is, in one of the greatest mistakes ever made by that nation, the importation from Saudi Arabia of Wahhabism by President Muhammad Zia-Ul-Haq (dictator actually) in 1979 and then spread throughout the country in the subsequent years. He was the "first convert" so to speak. The date is not a coincidence, 1979 was a pivotal year in so many ways, the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan, the revolution in Iran, Saddam Hussein taking power and the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.

Wahhabism is front and center, the chosen Islamic sect of al Qeada, ISIL and other Islamic groups bent on terror and destruction. Even the nation with the largest Muslim population, Indonesia, a quite moderate nation is feeling the scourge of Wahhabism.

Now, the question is, how can young Muslim moderates around the world be infected by this religious disease - quite easily actually, by using a tried and tested formula. You have economic conditions around the globe which result in excessively high unemployment rates for young people as well as decreasing accessibility to higher education due to cost and the result is a massively idle younger population who are quite susceptible to the ravings of lunatics who are telling them why their lot in life is so bad and who to blame for it - and, by the way, your rewards for your martyrdom are very generous.

The Saudis have much to answer for, just as those who, wittingly or not, accept this Wahhabist nonsense, do.

I do hope very much that I'm wrong but I am very afraid our world will see more of this "homegrown" terrorism.

 

No need to act like a tool mate, even if we do disagree.
I get that war was used as a tool to get to independence. But are you saying that you and, let's say, most Americans celebrate the war as much as the independence?

In Oz, our 'celebration' of war as an entity to itself correlates closest to two days.
Firstly, Remembrance Sunday which marks the end of the first world war just as VE and VJ mark the end of the second world war. We don't really celebrate the start of those wars though...does America?
Secondly, ANZAC day which remembers those who have fallen in battle.

So, I don't think that people celebrate war. They may celebrate an outcome where war was used a tool and rarely some people might celebrate was itself. And if you are one of those people who like to thank Alco-Lite for their durable ladders, don't forget to also thank the firefighters for their effort. Lest we forget.

 

That is right , you added a couple examples that I left out on purpose. Yet you still deny " bombs bursting in air" . That is the song We sing and the fun We celebrate our WAR of independence with .


That hole in the sand must be a foxhole with you and all your deniers. You are in deep.

 

QUOTE=Doug_yvr;1065616778]Well technically he's right in that the West's actions sometimes do cause strong reactions in the Middle East. But nothing can justify the murder of innocent civilians and these killers were not really behaving as though they were avenging any particular US policy - they were as far as I can tell just deranged killers.

And he really at least should have waited before making such a comment.[/QUOTE]

With due respect I believe when all the facts come out, the religious beliefs of this couple, in particular their Muslim extremist ideology will show premeditation based on Muslim fundamentalist ideology.

These people were anything but deranged. Deranged suggests out of touch with reality. The very profile of the operation shows careful pre--meditated planning. The decision of a young mother to give up her children and engage in a suicide mission as well as the sheer number of bombs in their home shows pre-meditated religious based ideology fueling their behaviour not "deranged" behaviour, i.e., schizophrenia, manic-depression, dementia, a brain tumour.

The sheer number of bombs in the house, the women's swearing allegiance to ISIL, that's fanatic religious based ideologically based behaviour.

Their state of belief was directly infused and reinforced from their mosque, whoever their religious leaders and religious peer group reinforcement were .

It's anything but deranged-it was deadly serious, deadly focused, carefully planned out and based on Muslim fundamentalist ideology and if you want to try skip that connection so be it but I will not it is crucial to the understanding of how this happened and how to prevent, as much so as understanding how the anti abortion person's religious beliefs may have led to his attacking the clinic and so the need to ask what ideology did he have, who taught him it, and did it play a role in why he stormed the abortion clinic. What I ignore looking at his Christian background? Of course I look at it to see if its relevant in what caused his behaviour.

I believe this story is being repressed to prevent panic and tipping off counter-intelligence operations. I believe there are far more than these two that were planning a more elaborate series of attacks and these two went rogue and acted out of sequence preventing the rest of the terror mission from being carried out.

There is no way these two acted in isolation and the very fact it was two, not one, makes it impossible them to have been deranged but be able to work together as they did.

It is impossible to have the exact same mental illness or a psychiatric illness of derangement and then operate with extreme precision let alone the exact same delusions at the exact same times.

Mental illness is as individual in manifestation as fingerprints when two mentally people explode their outward manifestations would necessarily collide from being disjointed and dysfunctional in nature. Its like suggesting two people with cerebral palsy could do synchronized swimming to suggest to deranged people lash out together Its not how it works. We call terrorists deranged but they are not. They are not insane. They are deadly aware of their motivation and what they do.

The psychiatric profile is just not there for deranged behaviour. The profile however for cold blooded, pre-meditated murder based on extremist religious ideology is clear.

 

Tashfeen was radicalized at pharmacy school in Pakistan.. not in KSA.

 

Wahhabis are not the problem.. nor are the Saudis..

 

US elites aren't interested in freedom. In fact, they detest freedom. They are more interested in amassing wealth and power than promoting freedom.

US elites aren't interested in defeating terrorism either. It's one of their most effective policy tools.

 

I don't. Europe is just as guilty as the US government is. They are complicit in perpetuating this evil empire, so they deserve what's coming to them.

The ones I feel sorry for are the innocent Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, Yemenis, etc. who are dying by the thousands because of western imperialism and militarism.

 

Do you ever read the Arab newspapers? They reject the radicals and all terrorists.. The claim that Saudi Arabia supports or teaches radical Islam is a fiction.

They hunt them down and put them in prison or execute them.. They freeze their assets.

 

Whenever a terror attack occurs it’s almost certain that the link with Saudi Arabia and Wahhabi/Takfiri teachings will be found. Saudi Arabia is literally the worldwide terror incubator.

The Worldwide Terror Incubator – San Bernardino Shooters Had Extensive Links to Saudi Arabia
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/1...shooters-had-extensive-links-to-saudi-arabia/

 

There was no Saudi link.. The couple did not meet in Arabia.. She was in Pakistan when the husband made the pilgrimage to Mecca.

Only an amateur would claim KSA is funding terrorism.

Michael Kreiger and liberty blitzkrieg have never set foot in the kingdom.. He's just trying to earn a living with his silly blog.

 

Whether Kreiger set his foot in Saudi Arabia or not is completely irrelevant. That has nothing to do with irrefutable facts that Saudi Arabia is almost always involved in some shape or form in terrorist attacks committed on the western soil.

By the way, I sincerely hope that you didn't study in Saudi Arabia. This is the main reason why Wahhabi/Takfiri followers slaughter innocent people so easily.

Saudi Textbooks Incite Hate, Say Leaders in American Publishing
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-hate-say-leaders-in-american-publishing.html

 

I've liked this post, but I also want to give it a well-deserved accolade. An excellent summary. Thanks, AOG.

 

Sorry.. this is a lie promoted by Freedom House..

 

Most Pakistanis are Deobandi.. Some Pakistanis are Ahmadiyya ...

Her family from the Punjab area of Pakistan were Sufis.

Muslims who reject the authority of hadith, known as Quranist. Along thr coast of Balochistan they follow the heterodox Zikri sect of Islam.

Most Wahhabis are not violent or radicalized regardless of what the talking heads tell you on TV.. Wahabbi is not "extremely fundamental".. They are conservative and somewhat puritanical.. Shia are far more emotional , believe all their clerics are holy men and have the Ashura festival where they cut themselves.,, Shia will riot periodically. Sunni don't.

al Wahab's objective was two fold.. to get rid of the Ottoman Turks and the innovations they had introduced into Islam,.. You'll find that the Wahhabis are dignified, modest and proper.

You really should ask the thousands of Americans who lived there and worked around them for 20-30 years.

 

Obviously you haven't watched Bitter Lake yet!