Who was the best president of the last fifty years?

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Who was the best president of the last fifty years?

  1. John F. Kennedy (1961-1963)

    26 vote(s)
    13.1%
  2. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969)

    7 vote(s)
    3.5%
  3. Richard Nixon (1969-1974)

    5 vote(s)
    2.5%
  4. Gerald Ford (1974-1977)

    4 vote(s)
    2.0%
  5. Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)

    10 vote(s)
    5.1%
  6. Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)

    87 vote(s)
    43.9%
  7. George H.W. Bush (1989-1993)

    2 vote(s)
    1.0%
  8. Bill Clinton (1993-2001)

    28 vote(s)
    14.1%
  9. George W. Bush (2001-2009)

    7 vote(s)
    3.5%
  10. Barack Obama (2009-Present)

    22 vote(s)
    11.1%
  1. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    And that was without considering the needless wars that Doofus didn't even budget for.....that now they are trying to blame Obama for the cost.

    They're still in denial about the surplus.......trying every which way to make it not be so........such denial - they live in their own bubble.
     
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    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    You better believe it.

    Unemployment down....economy is up.....conservatives won't admit it. They're still griping about ACA....but the records don't support their rhetoric. Even Faux News knows better. Most conservatives would rather everyone be without healthcare than agree that Obamacare is doing okay.


    House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) sat down with Fox News’ Chris Wallace over the weekend, and the host confronted the congressman with some pertinent details about the Affordable Care Act.
    “Under Obamacare, 16 million Americans have gained health coverage. Healthcare costs have risen at their slowest level in 50 years and up to 129 million Americans with pre-existing conditions are no longer in risk of losing coverage.

    “And meanwhile, for all of the complaints, Congressman, we’re five years into Obamacare, Republicans have still not come up with a coherent plan that will ensure that all of those millions of uninsured people get coverage.”


    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gops-numbers-guys-struggle-obamacare-details

    They think life in America was better when George W. Doofus tanked the country. Go figure.
     
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    no he did not military budget sky rocketed and his signature is on the final spending bills. he spent 3 trillion and it time you realize it . Plus he expanded the government by leaps and bounds. Plus having one of the lowest IQ of an president says a lot.

    Obama has cut the deficit, created more job, killed Bin Laden, doubled the stock market. So if you consider all that doing a bad job, then what did Reagan and Bush 1 and 2 do with all their reckless spending and wars do???
     
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    JFK doesn't count. That was 52 years ago.
     
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    Obama has done more for this country since FDR. He got us out of Iraq, restored U.S. integrity to the rest of the world that Shrub destroyed, cut the annual deficit in half, brought us out of the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression, and gave affordable healthcare to over 11 million people. And he did it all in spite of the obstructionist cons. In fifty years, after all the bigots have died off, his face will be put on Mt. Rushmore.
     
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    Same formula works to be a liberal, just say "sucks" after each utterance.
     
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    Obama is better than Clinton and better than Reagan. Thus, he is the best president in my lifetime.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    What's been good about him?
     
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    War is not a budget item the fact remains the Republicans brought the deficit down to a measly $161B by 2007 and even adding the special appropriation for the war of $70B that makes it $231B. Then the Democrats took budgetary control and in just two years the deficit hit $1,400B not including the $130B special appropriation in 2009.

    And what denial about the Gingrich/Kaisch surplus?
     
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    First Presidents do not singularly rule the country. The Democrats, including first Senator Obama and then President Obama, took majority control of the government in 2007. They took total control in 2009 and we have had the WORST economic performance since the Carter days and by some measures worse than that. Unemployment hit 10% in 2009 and stayed over 9% for the next 4 years even though Obama sold his massive stimulus plan on the basis it would only and briefly hit 8%. Median incomes lost all the gains under Republicans ans recod numbers kn government subsitance.

    They took the deficit to $1,400B awns kept it over $1,000B for the next 4 years. Under the Republicans we had 52 months of full employment, rising incomes, solid economic growth and soaring tax revenues. So by what measure are you declaring the times under Democrat/Obama policies and control better and in fact BEST?
     
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    Yes he did. He requested less spending every year than the Congress authorized and sent spending recissions they failed to pass. The deficits woe have fallen to under $100B had they passed his spending levels

    The Democrats including Obama raised the last Republican deficit of $161B o over $1,400B in just two years and kept it over $1,000B for the next 4 years never passing a budget and it only fell after the sequester which I am sure for which you blame the Republicans.

    After losing more than any time in modern history and only now that the Republicans took the Congress are we turning the corner. Under the Republicans we had FIFTY-TWO MONTHS OF FULL EMPLOYMENT. We didn't need to be creating millions of new jobs every one was working, not in welfare, paying taxes.

    A Navy Seal killed Bin Laden.

    SSo you are all for making the top even richer while empoverishing those at the bottom. But do tell me what Obama policies caused this to happen?

    Lower unemployment, lower deficits including the Republican surpluses, rising incomes, solid economic gain, and not making us the laughing stock or the world and empowering our enemies to walk all over us.
     
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    Which has produced the current fiasco and collapse of our national security and now having to send troops back in.

    Empowered our enemies to walk all over is and made us the laughing stock of the wOrlando.

    The Democrats including Obama increased the deficit NINE FOLD to $1,400B in just two years and kept it over $1,000B for the next 4 years never even coming close to the WORST Republican deficits and it only fell because of the sequester for which Obama and the rest of the Democrats blame the Republicans.

    The economy had aalready bottomed out before any Obama policies went into effect, the policies that for 4 years kept us out if a full recovery giving us the worst recovery in modern history.

    While taking it away form 100 million.

    He got what he wanted and his face will be more appropriate at the local land fill.
     
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    With a clear provocative and humorist attitude, I wonder if the last years of confrontation between Vladimir The Smart and Obama The Naive haven't showed to all of us who is the real President of the United States ... Vladimir?
     
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    i see you that you have no idea how we choose presidents in the U.S.
     
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    Absolutely! You're probably right: being Italian I still imagine that Americans vote to elect their President [you know, I'm a day dreamer ...].

    P.S. "i see you that you have no idea how we" in Italy express humor ... [is it American English?]
     
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    You are living in a dream world!
     
  17. Bluesguy

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    Simple dismissals all you got left? My facts stand as posted and unrefutted.
     
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    Since FDR?
     
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    I believe his face should be on Mt. Rushmore too. But you are probably right about the timeline. We will have to wait until the present day racists are all gone.
     
  20. mertex

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    Sounds like you're trying to excuse George W. Doofus for tanking the country and being responsible for the loss of so many jobs that it took years before Obama could make a dent. And, Republicans were fighting against the stimulus plan and cut it way back. I believe had it been passed with the original amount the recession would have been over sooner....but we can't prove that. But, in spite of all the negativity caused by Republicans in Congress....to the wasting of $24 billion on a useless filibuster by Cruz, has hurt our country....not to mention all the time, money and effort wasted on 9 Benghazi hearings that have all produced the same result?

    You can try and put all the lipstick on it you want....facts are that the country does much better under a Democratic President, regardless of who is in Congress. Being black certainly didn't help Obama, considering so much racism in the Republican arena, but he was still able to do a hell of a lot better than Doofus George.



    Since World War II, there's been a strikingly consistent pattern in American politics: The economy does much better when a Democrat is in the White House.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-under-democratic-presidents-is-it-just-luck/


    Democratic presidents tend to preside over better economies than Republican ones, but that may be down to pure luck, according to a recent paper from Alan Blinder and Mark Watson at Princeton.
    Since the end of World War II, the U.S. economy has grown at an average real rate of 4.35% under Democratic presidents and only 2.54% under Republicans. So what gives?
    http://www.businessinsider.com/economy-does-better-under-democrats-2013-12


    The U.S. economy has performed better since World War II when the president is a Democrat rather than a Republican, two prominent Princeton University economists conclude. The reasons, they say, involve more luck than successful policies.

    Over the past 64 years and 16 presidential terms, the U.S. grew at an average rate of 4.35% when a Democrat was in the White House and at a 2.54% when a Republican was, a gap the economists call “astoundingly large.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/12/02/why-does-economy-grow-more-under-democratic-presidents/
     
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    Sounds like you are trying to shift blame for the failure of Democrat policies and lack thereof and Democrat budgets to Bush. Obama got the stimulus he wanted through a Democrat controlled Congress increasing spending 9% and then 18% and increasing the deficit to over $1,400B in just two years from the last Republican deficit of a measly $161B

    You're the one smearing lipstick all over the face of the Democrats. They bragged about their spending increases and how they blocked Bush and they make proud proclimations about their stimulus and how it would get the economy into a full recovery, it did not.
    It does better when there is a Republican congress period as I have shown with the facts.

    Spare me your desperate invective.

    It's not this simpleton theory of yours that Presidents control everything and who is sitting in the White House is the most salient fact. It is what POLICIES are enacted that make a difference and it is clear Republican policies do best for the economy and the people who work in it.
     
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    What failures? Obama was able to get many things passed in spite of the "Just Say NO" Republicans in Congress. And, the economy is doing a hell of a lot better than it was doing under Bush. There's no shifting of blame....Republicans are just in denial of Bush's terrible presidency and continue to say up is down, and right is left and the country was better off under Bush when it comes to admitting the truth.
    Republicans have a tendency to revise facts to make themselves look better, but Americans are finally catching up.

    More than three years still remained in George W. Bush’s presidency when it had already collapsed by the end of 2005. The Bush revisionism industry has thus enjoyed an unusually long period of time in which to plan out its action and predict their man’s comeback as a misunderstood, unduly maligned and — dare they say it? — successful president. The opening of the Bush museum today has opened up a flood of pent-up Bush revisionism.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/bush-terrible-president-also-not-a-smart-man.html

    You need to go back over the facts.....not the Republican revised facts, that is.


    The stimulus could have done more good had it been bigger and more carefully constructed. But put simply, it prevented a second recession that could have turned into a depression. It created or saved an average of 1.6 million jobs a year for four years. (There are the jobs, Mr. Boehner.) It raised the nation’s economic output by 2 to 3 percent from 2009 to 2011. It prevented a significant increase in poverty — without it, 5.3 million additional people would have become poor in 2010.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/opinion/sunday/what-the-stimulus-accomplished.html



    You're quoting the Republican mantra, which doesn't even resemble reality. From my link above....

    The legacy of that policy, detailed by the White House last week in its final report on the effects of the stimulus, affects virtually every American who drives, uses mass transit, or drinks water. It improved 42,000 miles of road, fixed or replaced 2,700 bridges, and bought more than 12,000 transit vehicles. It cleaned up water supplies, created the school reforms of the Race to the Top program, and greatly expanded the use of renewable energy and broadband Internet service.

    It’s probably too late for the White House to persuade skeptics about its program, but its assessment echoes the views of many independent economists and the independent Congressional Budget Office. “The Recovery Act was not a failed program,” the C.B.O.’s director, Douglas Elmendorf, told annoyed Republican lawmakers in 2012. “Our position is that it created higher output and employment than would have occurred without it.”[/COLOR]


    Post some proof...."you are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts". You and every other Republican/conservative claim the same thing, but the facts prove otherwise.


    Republican policies i.e. George W. Doofus tanked the country. That is a fact.....not even you nor any conservative can change that fact.
     
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    Since Clinton
     
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    How about the 2 years he had it all?

    Besides the republicans pass lots of stuff. its the dems in the senate and Obama who say no to everything. Its not Obamas job to legislate but he does it anyway.
     
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    Probably Obama, in all honesty.

    As a person, though, I'd say Carter takes the cake.
     

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