'Sick of being targeted': French authorities conducting warrantless raids on Muslims

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  1. Fallen

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    Emergency legislation enacted after last month's Paris attacks has led to a fierce crackdown on France's Islamic population. Warrantless searches and raids have become commonplace, a move which many say violates the civil liberties of Muslims.
    Speaking to RT's Daniel Bushell, the manager of the Pepper Grill restaurant on the outskirts of Paris recalled a police raid at his restaurant on Saturday night.

    “They blocked the roads with trucks, and up to 40 armed men stormed our restaurant...Saturday night's the busiest time. Children were eating. The cops had shotguns, black masks, and shields, making the women tremble with fear. Several officers rushed downstairs, then suddenly...they began breaking the doors with battering rams. The door wasn't even locked,” the restaurant manager said.
     
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    Yes this is the sort of thing I have been hearing about - another is to break into an apartment, trash it and then say, 'Oh wrong appartment' and leave them to get on with it.
     
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    see I am mixed on this, because I've read in other places where folks say they actually have laws in place allowing this to happen... and its been a result of liberals over time working things in for other reasons, and now those laws are being used for these reasons... and then I see people say this is a violation of their civil liberties... but I can't really comment on another countries intricate laws because I have enough trouble keeping up with americas goobly guck of a law system... so it will be interesting to see who who are exceptional familiar and see how they debate this issue out and point out to many things they did over time that stripped people of rights now being used...

    I did find it funny when they said the door wasn't locked and they broke it down... it reminds me of training when a guy hit a door almost a dozen times, then his sgt came up and pulled the door open cause it didn't open inward... rookie mistake, pay attention to the pins on the door, if you see them on the outside, that means it swings out to you... worst case if you have trouble breaking the lock, just pop the pins and take it off the other side heh... but they weren't evennnn lockedddd... lol
     
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    3rd Bataclan attacker identified...
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    France Identifies 3rd Attacker at Bataclan Concert Hall
    DEC. 9, 2015 — The French authorities said on Wednesday that they had identified the third attacker at the Bataclan concert hall, where 90 people were killed during a coordinated series of assaults in and around Paris three weeks ago.
    Related:

    Who were the Paris attackers? Many crossed officials' radar
    Dec 9, 15 Police, prosecutors, friends, families and acquaintances have unveiled details about the men who carried out the Nov. 13 attacks in Paris. Altogether, authorities say that three teams participated in the bloody assault and at least one suspected participant remains at large. Here is a look at what we know about the suspects:
    See also:

    How the Organizer of the Paris Attacks Slipped Through Authorities’ Hands
    NOV. 30, 2015 - Abdelhamid Abaaoud, who organized the Nov. 13 terrorist attacks in Paris, crisscrossed Europe and the Middle East with impunity, even though he was on a Belgian watch list and had been linked to at least four terrorist plots foiled this year. Only after the attacks did the authorities track him down to a hide-out near Paris, where he was killed.
     
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    i noticed you omitted the results of these raids. The french authorities have seized a YEARS worth of guns, ammo, & terrorist contraband in just a couple of weeks. So apparently, it is not completely unjustified, & national security trumps the delicate sensitivities of bleeding hearts every time.
     
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    I’ve never understood why they need warrantless raids for this kind of thing in most cases. It shouldn’t be impossible to establish processes for judges to assess and authorise the raids fairly rapidly. There might be rare emergency situations where officers need to act quickly (though those generally have to go through a senior officer anyway), these apparently investigatory raids shouldn’t require that.
     
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    Same reason we instituted the patriot act. Sometimes hours are the difference between a conference room full of people getting shot and nit.
     
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    As I said, I can see that in some cases but not necessarily many of the ones the process is used in. Anyway, I'd still suggest a judicial review after the fact in those cases to ensure the relevant legal procedures are being followed. I'm not concerned about wilful misconduct as such but a natural human tendency to take the easy option over the right one.
     
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    Paranoia is taking over in France.
     
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    Algerians definitely need to consider their situation in there...
     
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    I agree. The majority of mass shooters according to a study reported on CNN shows " white people -- almost exclusively white men -- committed some 64% of the (mass) shootings." since 1982. I would venture to say that the victims in those shootings go above and beyond the victim count in the recent Paris attacks. Would the american people allow the government to discriminate against this demographic by initiating unwarranted raids to combat mass shootings, which seems to be a bigger threat to the american people then ISIS is to Paris?

    CNN report:
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/
     
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    Thats how the patriot act was supposed to work, they still needed to get the warrants albeit after the fact, it was only meant for cases when it was believed human life was in imminent danger. What happened in reality we will never know I suppose.
     
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    Yeh. Sometime you have to say

    "To hell with procedure"

    And get things done.
     
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    Mother gets text message her son was 3rd dead Bataclan attacker...
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    Text to mom announcing death reveals 3rd Bataclan attacker
    December 9, 2015 — It took a text message from Syria to a mother in northeast France to reveal the identity of the third killer at the Bataclan concert venue in Paris: Your son died as a martyr Nov. 13.
     
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    You mean Terrorism is being shut down in Paris.
     
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    Good.

    I anticipate for this behavior to come to the United States.
     
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    Maybe that has something to do with the fact that they're 64%+ of the population?
     
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    Go France!!!
     
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    what are they trying to do, ruin peoples lives so they get so upset they become terrorists
     
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    agree, it would be like our government preforming unwarranted raids on all pro-lifers after a abortion bombing or mass shooting

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    Hey, (*)(*)(*)(*) happens in situations like this.
     
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    If "moderate muslims" do NOT like treatment such as this, then those many "moderate muslims" MUST become more vocal against radical muslims even if it risks their life/limb.
    Anything less than many "moderate muslims" becoming more vocal means more attacks on their own personal "freedoms".
    That's just the way it is.....
     
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    And when you think about it, that's the one and only way that moderate Muslims can prove their allegiance to wider society in where they stand. If they don't (killer question upcoming!) then how do we know they're 'moderate'?
     
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    Yes, that is the propaganda narrative from the terrorist enabling left. It is treasonous & deceptive, but it promotes their anti-American, anti-western propaganda.

    These progressive enablers are co-conspirators with the jihadists in their plot to destroy western civilization. You may get your caliphate, but you won't like it. You'll get away from all those hated christians & their annoying talk about God, but you'll be oppressed in a tyrannical theocracy, & won't have any tolerance shown to you.
     
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    For starters, CNN did not do the research or report, Mother Jones did - US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation. Their methodology was simple; scour through the US news media since 1982 (why there?) and look for 4 or more shootings that mention race. Unfortunately, there is no "margin of error" because this is not an academic report. For example, they did not cross reference this with FBI/DoJ data so the margin could very likely be very high.

    The biggest mistake however is putting this data into perspective. Sure white men do more mass killings because there are more white men than any other race in the US.However, if you look at this data "per capita", meaning comparing the amount of mass killings by the actual population amount of each individual race in the US, the percentage number changes drastically. Given the small Muslim population in the US vs the actual amount of mass killings, the percentage shoots up, perhaps higher than whites.

    Be careful with certain supposed statistics.
     

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