Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

No- she didn't

HONOLULU
–
The Hawai„i State
Health Department recently compliedwitha request by
President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth,
which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate
.
“
We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the
numerous inquiries related to his
birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said.
“
I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the
department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011 President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy
, requesting two certified copies of hisoriginal Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same requestin writing on behalf of the President.
(Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached)
.
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the
copies

She said that the birth certificate issued in 2008 was computer generated- which it was- as all copies requested are now certified.

All Birth information has been put on computer- hardly a shock there.

But all BC's prior to 2001 are still on file as originals.

As per Hawaii.

 

Why is Trump even bringing up Obama's birth place/certificate? It's not like he would be debating Obama if he is the nominee. At this rate, he will never beat Hillary. He really thinks most of what he says is fine. It's because he acts like a troll and feels he has to be in the lime light. Anything to make news. He's an anti establishment candidate who needs to learn to be Presidential instead of playing these petty games.

 

Here is what I got: 404 — File not found.

Nobody has seen the two copies that they provided, have they? Unless you want to say the ones posted on the internet are facsimiles of them?

Well neither one of those above has ever verified that they are. And if they are supposed to be facsimiles of the aforementioned copies presented to the president, then why are they forgeries?

 

This whole bit is simply bizarre, odd, obsessive-compulsive …

Did these "birthers" all recently go off their meds … ???

 

By definition- they can't be forgeries- a birth certificate issued by an issuing agency is by definition authentic.

Who has seen the certified copies- well Director of Health Fuddy and Registrar of Records Alvin Onaka.

And the room full of reporters that were shown the certified copies- including Savannah Guthrie and Jake Tapper.

But I am sure you know better than all of them.....

 

and you were proven wrong the very first time.

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everyone?

 

Trump breathed birther air into them, and they've been rejuvenated by his effluvium.

 

So let's assume you are correct. What would be the harm in letting an independent Certified Document Examiner
have a look at them?

As far as the forgeries goes, the ones that are posted on the internet are forgeries. Savannah and Jake are Obama's
lapdogs. Not exactly trustworthy journalists.

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No Certified Document Examiner has ever said they were real or valid so, no, not wrong about that.

 

there isn't a reason to?

actually they have been authenticated by the only legal body which can do so.

except the only body that is capable of making such a determination has authenticated them.

lol, birthers.

 

But they haven't authenticated them. Nobody has.

 

this is a proven lie, as you have seen the official statements from them, authenticating his birth certificates.

 

Of course you dont. You cant tell the difference.

None of those can make natural law. It matters not what they rule.

 

'What would be the harm'?

Other than it would violate Hawaiian State law?

And would serve no purpose- since Birthers have demonstrated repeatedly to Hawaii that it doesn't matter what Hawaii does, Birthers will not believe the evidence.

And finally- everyone who matters already knows the truth. Birthers do not matter.

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Well here is the thing- all of them disagree with you.
The voters,
The electoral college
Congress
Chief Justice Roberts
The courts.

You are the equivalent of those who argue that the income tax is unconstitutional- i.e. you are irrelevant.

Those who matter have spoken- twice now.

And the Constitution has been protected from the nutjobs who want to (*)(*)(*)(*) on it just because Barack Obama was running for President.

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Yes- as we have pointed out over and over- the experts of the State of Hawaii has.

HONOLULU
–
The Hawai„i State
Health Department recently compliedwitha request by
President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth,
which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate
.
“
We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the
numerous inquiries related to his
birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said.
“
I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the
department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011 President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy
, requesting two certified copies of hisoriginal Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same requestin writing on behalf of the President.
(Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached)
.
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the
copies

 

But, see … It is horrible Commie infested Moose Slim guv'mint bureaucrats who claim to be authenticating those documents …

Why hasn't the State of Hawaii offered to fly, say, Rush Windbagh (the World's Greatest Expert) to Hawaii to examine the documents and give us his opinion … ???

 

Here is the essential nuttiness to Birtherism

Birthers can't even agree what they believe or don't believe- the only unifying theory that they have is that there must be some reason that Barack Obama could not possibly be eligible.

And then they unload every whacko theory and internet rumor spread by WND and con-men that they can find.

So many Birthers who argue that Barack Obama must not have been born in Hawaii- also simultaniously argue- "but if he was, he still wasn't eligible because....." and then list one of the various alternate Birther meme's as to why Barack Obama could not be President
- his father was not a U.S. citizen
- Since he was a dual citizen at birth he could not be eligible
- he gave up his citizenship and became an Indonesian citizen- and isn't a U.S. citizen even now!

One of my favorite- and there are so many favorite- Birther idiocies was one of the fake Kenyan birth certificates being pushed by Birthers- even after it was pointed out that the man trying to sell it was a convicted con-man- they still believed it was true. Even after he failed to produce anything- they still believed him.

Same with Arpaio and his pandering to Birthers- after years of flirting with Birthers all he has ever done is say he has proof- with a wink and a nod to Birthers- and 2 years later still hasn't produced anything- and Birthers still believe Arpaio.

President Obama has another 14 months left or so in office, before Birthers will have successfully driven him out of office......what will become of them then?

Will they become like 9/11 Truthers- still pushing the lunacy- or will they move onto President Clinton?

I am betting that the vast majority of Birthers will start pushing conspiracy theories regarding President Clinton.

 

Not as bad as the Bush lied people died and Bush AWOL'ers

 

Because no one has answered it. Tell me why did he do so in the end? He could have taken the steam out from the getgo. The fact is the MSM finally caught on to the fact that Hawaii law REQUIRES them to release ANY personal document and even the MSM started asking why doesn't he just do so. And in effect that ended it, they only reason it is even mentioned now is from the MSM trying to make Trump look like a fool, see still trying to use it for political gain.

And perhaps you haven't caught on some on the "birther" side are just pulling chains.

And then of course we still have the "Bush lied" and "Bush was AWOL" crowd harping those long discounted stories. They even made a major motion picture that was recently released about the latter. I don't recall the birther thing being made into a major motion picture with two MAJOR hollywood stars in it, do you?

 

I've already demolished this nonsense, and showed you the state of Hawaii stating unequivocally that they do not issue the long form any longer. It took a special request from the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

 

What messed things up, as first pointed out by Democrats themselves, is that Obama's dad was a citizen of Kenya. That Barry was taken to indonesia to become a Muslim kid and later his grandparents brought him back to America.

Clearly, little baby Barray was born in Hawaii.

Barry is not the first president whose father was born in a foreign country.

We all have to thank Philip Berg, a lawyer and Democrat who wanted Hillary to win for this problem.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...tions-obamas-eligibility-for-office/?page=all

By - The Washington Times - Thursday, August 28, 2008

 

Oh that is very arguable. Regarding "Bush lied, people died"- that is debatable- certainly people did die- and certainly there was no requirement that we invade Iraq- but I think that is a reasonable debate.

The Bush AWOL thing was as stupid as Birtherism- and it died a relatively swift death compared to Birtherism. No Presidential candidates, no Sheriff Arpaio fanning the 'awol' debate with stupid claims.

 

I have answered this before- and you ask again- because you really don't care what I answer.

The answer is that he did so to respond to Trump's idiocy. Trump brought the issue into mainstream- and Obama responded- personally I think he should never have bothered, but hey- Obama got elected twice so I suspect he knows politics better than I do.

As I pointed out- while it somewhat silenced Trump- though the GOP's favorite candidate is still a Birther- as evidenced in this thread- the Birthers still are a Birthing. What you insisted Barack Obama should have done from the beginning didn't end Birtherism.

 

And no it doesn't. As pointed out by the Department of Health of Hawaii, their as policy now is only release computer generated birth certificates- which as you know- have all of the information relevant to eligiblity on them- and are legal birth certificates.

Barack Obama made a special request- as noted by the Director of Health- and they complied- probably because they were sick and tired of Birthers too.

 

As a matter of course if you ask for a copy that is what you got but as I demonstrated over and over Hawaii law requires they release copies of ANY and ALL documents they have pertaining to you even a form no longer in use. The Obama camp and the MSM media had been hiding behind the specious claim you are trying to make, the Hawaii will ONLY EVER issue the newer form and not the long form. When the actual law was made clear, that Hawaii HAS to give a person a copy of the older long form if one exist and they request it, even the MSM media began asking why not just give the authorization and Obama figuring he could no longer milk it authorized the release. No more a special request than anyone else making it Hawaii HAS to release the documents as long as it is about YOU.

PART III. DISCLOSURE OF PERSONAL RECORDS

Note

Part heading amended by L 1989, c 192, §5.

[§92F-21] Individual’s access to own personal record. Each agency that maintains any accessible personal record shall make that record available to the individual to whom it pertains, in a reasonably prompt manner and in a reasonably intelligible form. Where necessary the agency shall provide a translation into common terms of any machine readable code or any code or abbreviation employed for internal agency use. [L 1988, c 262, pt of §1]

 

You think so ?

Its the 14th amendment that screwed things up

 

Good lord.. you still don't know that Minor v Happersett wasn't about citizenship? READ the case.

And Vatel isn't US law.. US law is covered in the statutes.