Is it moral for God to punish us?

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    It would explain Particle/Wave Duality.

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    Actually you have provided no scriptural references.
     
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    You are confusing information with objects that have mass. Try again to find any documentation of teleporting physical objects.
     
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    Deeds reflect true repentance which my provided scriptures portray. I'm sure there a some cases where some have had true repentance with no time to show it through deeds, but my assertion stands and is backed by scriptures.

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    Then you choose to be willfully ignorant.
     
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    Read the full article.

    We have teleported ATOMS.

    LINK...http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...pic-objects-leads-the-way-to-quantum-internet

    U.S. Military Contractors have Teleported MOLECULES.

    A German Company is building a Teleporter for purchase....although it can only teleport atoms and molecules just around 200 miles.

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    I do not agree because I am a non-believer. The premise is false to me so there's no way I can come to any type of agreement or disagreement on any point in your OP so it is best to just say I do not agree with the entire concept in the OP.

    The only thing I can say is, if you believe the premise is real in relation to god, the specific religion you believe and whatever you believe in regards to free-will vs a deterministic reality, you have the burden on yourself to work out in your conscience whether or not you are believing in an immoral supernatural being(because of the conflicts), amoral supernatural being(be without human defined morals) or a moral supernatural being(being who's perfection and goodness trumps human conflict with the conflicts you mentioned).
     
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    Indeed, I think they even acknowledge him as divine. I'm not sure but I think they say the Resurrection was a faked death.

    A folk belief is that Abraham came first, and offered Justice, and when that wasn't enough God sent Jesus, with love, and then, being fed up, he sent the "Seal of the Prophets" with the sword.
     
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    What if,

    the actual argument between Lord Satan and God, was about the lousy job they did on this plane of existence and having to explain the results to any God Committee.

    Did Lord Satan want to "abandon the project" and blame it on "Nexus 6", and move on?
     
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    There has never been an incidence where a "GOD:" punish anyone. The only that punish is people, period.
     
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    The question is moot since God doesnt exist.
     
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    No actual science has demonstrated teleporting atoms. Still just information, read again. And actually confusing quantum entanglement with actual information is problematic.
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    I am all for the whole...Love, Peace, Forgiveness aspect of teachings by Jesus.

    But there is absolutely no existing evidence or proof that Jesus was a GOD or son of a GOD...just as there is no evidence or proof that a GOD exists.

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    Here is another LINK...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...at-teleportation-possible-transfer-atoms.html

    Back in 2014 they teleported several atoms.

    Now understand that Quantum Teleportation via Quantum Entanglement when you talk about INFORMATION being teleported that information is comprised of QUANTUM PARTICLE/WAVE FORMS.

    And all Atoms and all Matter is completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy.

    The Information is Quanta and Quanta is Energy.

    Matter and Energy are INTERCHANGEABLE.

    It is just a matter of time before we are teleporting large amounts of materials thousands of miles.

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    I sometimes pray to Saint Peter; for help with any next version of wo-man; that she not be able to get pregnant unless it is with Mr.Right, regardless of all of the other ones.
     
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    Read your own article. It is information not matter that is transported. They are not the same. And information is not energy. At least not until an unknown particle that is information manages to be discovered.
     
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    Information is not energy??? LOL!!!

    What do you think the information is that they are teleporting???

    It's QUANTUM TELEPORTAION...thus BY DEFINITION and by QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT....they are using Quanta existing in a Multiversal State and arranging it into Energy then MATTER!!

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    Well you must have a much greater understanding of quantum entanglement than any scientist since none of them or their articles claim to have transported matter!

    As a matter of information most of the articles you keep posting are very careful to explain that neither matter nor energy has been transported. That is what is so fascinating about quantum entanglement, that the actual mechanism has not been discovered.
     
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    OK....Quantum Entanglement and Teleportation does NOT Teleport Matter in the manner detailed out on a Star Trek show!!!

    In Star Trek matter is broken down into Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy and then directed by a Energy Stream of Beam to a location and reassembled.

    Star Trek even came up with the idea of a Heisenberg Compensator and Pattern Buffer to both store what was being teleported's pattern in the buffer and then with the use of the Heisenberg Compensator be able to reassemble a person and even their neural transmitted electrons and storage so that the person would not be an empty shell with no knowledge of what they were.

    We are discussing QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT AND TELEPORTATION!!!

    It is different.

    The INFORMATION is specific to the Numerical Quark/Antiquark Virtual Pairings that direct CAUSALITY to our specific Divergent Universal Reality within a Multiversal System.

    Thus the Atoms at one end are reconstructed at the other end....but the atoms at the primary end NEVER LEAVE!!!

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    In other words, as God knows all the future till the end of this world, as He knows all choices of people with free wills, as He definitely affects people's lives and destinies why isn't He responsible for people's sins?

    I think He gives to people lots of opportunities to do good things and not to do bad things and everytime everyone makes his choice. We are responsible for our choice in this live and after it. As to people who killed Jesus, I suppose they weren't specially chosen to kill Him. They made their lives by many choices. And they got what they wanted.
     
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    Isn't infidel-ism, protestant-ism, and renegade-ism, Bad enough?
     
  21. Greatest I am

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    They set the law. Not the morality that we all have within us.

    There is a general consensus though even if we do not all agree on all the details. At least 70 odd % of us.

    This link shows this and the following link shows how we are all born with a moral sense.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind?language=en

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIc-4h9RIvY

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    I like Job.

    Especially 2;3 where God admits to being manipulated by Satan and admits to being evil.

    Moved me to kill without cause, of some such thing.

    Regards
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    You see 20/20. Christians do not.

    Regards
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    Common sense and good morals says that there is no hell but that there is a heaven.

    [video=youtube;SF6I5VSZVqc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc[/video]

    The bottom of this link shows how a God would have to save us all as we all contribute to make each other evil.

    http://forums.liveleak.com/showthread.php?t=115174&page=4

    Regards
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    I could not believe in such an immoral theology.

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