The most amazing thing about us is that we all think we are screwed

What does that say about us? I mean, I think we all agree that everything in the USA is pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up...and the powers that be are soooo good at the game that they actually have 1/2 of us blaming one ideology and 1/2 blaming the other ideology?
I mean, I KNOW that the problem is "conservative" politics and neo-liberal economics. I know this 100%.
However...I'll be the first to say it...I might be wrong. Obviously I am basing my judgment on what I have read, studied, and witnessed. Other people do the same...some come up with the same conclusions, some the opposite...and we are all pretty much ABSOLUTELY sure of our conclusion.

However, regardless of which "side" we blame, I think the vast majority of us agree that WHATEVER we are doing is wrong.

Just a bit of a rant. I am tired of the empty promises of the republicans and the democrats. I will, for the first time, not be voting for a democrat in 2012. Personally, I will be voting for the most far out leftist, socialist wacko out there. Others will undoubtedly be voting for a the most far right tea-party candidate out there.
Further proof of how disillusioned we are becoming with our broken system.

 

You understand a bit, but not enough. Voting for the far left means you will be voting for what you see as the far right.

The game is larger than you understand. You have to understand the game, or you will make great mistakes.

 

IMO, our current leadership is a reflection of our own inadequacies. We are not the Godly people that built this country.

As we push God away and cling to the false god of government, we are suredly loosing our prosperous principles.

Everyone knows that our entitlement programs are our downfall, yet people cry like little children to keep them despite the reality that we will fail due to them.

Perry is just another example. In his book he clearly is against them, yet he embraces them while running for president.

 

Clearly you do not understand how much I understand or how large the game is. You underestimate the complexity of the issues related to the elections.

See, I can play the same card +1.

 

#1. The godly people who thought that they should "OWN" other people?
#2. The entitlement programs you cite made the most successful generation in our countries history.
#3. You didn't mention it, but our ideals opposite of "free trade" and the "free market" have generated pretty much every successful society in modern history.

See what I'm saying? I can cite very legitimate, scholarly, articles for everything I said.. You can likely do the same. I say your sources are crap, you say mine are crap. And in 4 years we both agree that things are still in the crapper.

 

Not me, I don't think we are all screwed. In fact I think a lot of the stuff that has got people so hysterical and worried about these days is just overblown nonsense about stuff that has been around for a long time and will be around for an even longer time.

Freaking out and getting angry is not helping one bit so cut it out and calm down.

People are screwed only in their own minds, everything is really OK and will get better if you let it.

 

The problem is that you've bought into it, by voting far left you are doing exactly what they want. Voting for more government controls in the economy, more war and more police state is not the solution. The only thing that can save us is a non-interventionist foreign policy, free markets and sound money. Ron Paul is the only candidate who can win for We the People.

 

I am intrigued.
What exactly are these principles and values and even more importantly how can they be applied to effect a smooth transition from this to that?

I am all for trying out new ideas but am not a big fan of just abruptly tossing the old order out without a plan since there is no guarantee of anything if you do that.
Do you have a plan?
Can we discuss it?

 

The people who built this nation, were not "all" 'religious', and many surely weren't "Godly" (IMO); it is more accurate to say that some Godly people influenced this nation.

I look at chattel slavery and the subsequent abject dehumanization of minorities, and understand 'readily' that this nation has also been influenced tremendously by evil and un-Godly human beings. So many times, we can see where those who had nothing to do with "God" at all, were the most "humane" in the land.

No, that is not what is happening. It actually appears that the MORE some people SEEK to PUSH GOD upon others via "government", the more many individuals citizens REJECT the hints of religion within the same. Many Christians especially (over time) have been their own worst enemies.

Are you implying that Jesus would not (or did not) promote principles far-more-socialist, than the Tea-Party and certain money-worshiping capitalists would ever accept? (If so, you really need to rethink what you are saying here.)

Perry is the political-equivalent of a charismatic but dishonest televangelist. I would not 'believe' what he's putting out, in a million years.

(see the above)

 

but we are. There are serious problems that we can't seem to solve.

You have an entire generation of Americans who have student loans and are having their wages garnished. You have their grand parents co signing and getting their wages garnished. To live these people are then forced to use credit cards and pay interest on them every month. All this in a society which is supposedly consumer driven.

They were convinced to do this by people who understand what inflation is but somehow did not understand that inflation applies to job qualifications too. I mean if everyone has a degree but you have the same number of jobs then the companies will still only take the best leaving the rest overqualified.

You have seniors whose spending power goes down year after year as inflation eats their checks.

You have illegal immigrants taking jobs and sending part of their wages outside the local economy (to their home country)

All this in a fundementally consumer economy. With all these things weighing it down how do you expect it to recover?

Even if things were to magically get better tomorrow our economy would still not recover as people would pay down debt first instead of spending money in their local economy.

 

How exactly are we screwed?

 

In the end aren't we all screwed? I mean dead?

Ditto even the strongest nations and cultures throughout human history - unless I missed something.

 

We Christians look forward to the afterlife. It makes me sad you do not have that to look forward to.

 

Well another way to look at it is that we need to have a life before we have an afterlife.

 

IOW, we are all screwed in this life, but it gets better.

I like your spirit!

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Yet another fine point!

 

Voting for the further destruction of America won't help.

 

I do not feel screwed in this life whatsoever.

 

Yes, broken system, and both side are supposed to be dedicated to the constitution. And neither is by any real measure.

Accordingly, we, the Anerican people should be taking the law into our own hands with our lawful and peaceful revolution.

We can end the BS and purify party politics in the same move. AND, it does not matter which party we are of, because it's about the constitution that we unify around.

We set an example for our leaders, those are the ones left after purification. At that point, reason prevails for the constitution rather than one party or the other. And the party that is less with the constitution than the other, will back down in favor of the constitution, bringing honor to them in our eyes and the eyes of their opposition.

 

The system isn't broken, we get the people we vote for. The problem is too many of us want people who will lie to us and tell us America doesn't have to make hard decisions, that we can get something for nothing... we get empty promises because that's what we want.

Anytime enough of us get tired of being lied to, we're free to hire a candidate who offers a more realistic plan.




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If we can find one with a voice far reaching enough to convince a majority of us. Money is speech.

 

You really need to read up on the subject before you post. Less then half of the founding fathers were slave owners. Even slave owners like Thomas Jefferson admitted that slavery was against American core values, but the institution was too rooted in the economies of most of the southern states. So, a compromise was taken. Each state could decide whether to allow slavery. Several of the founding fathers such as Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay put their names and reputations behind antislavery organizations within their states.

Strange thing is that the topic of slavery is thrown around freely by liberals. Yet, none seem to have cared that the 150th anniversary of the last slaves freed in the US was just 11 days ago. Would you like to know why? Because to recognizing the date would fly in the face of the revisionist historians that preach "Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves". It goes with their "Civil War was all about slavery" campaign. It wouldn't look good for them to admit that the last 40,000+ slaves weren't freed until 8 months after his death. Now, do you know what document actually freed all the slaves? Here's a hint. It wasn't the Emancipation Proclamation.

Define success, and show how an entitlement helped achieve that success.

"Our ideas"? Who do you include in "our"? In the US we have free trade and free markets within our own borders. That means that the state of North Carolina can't charge Virginia Manufactures a tariff to sell products in their states. But if your talking about imports and exports, then I challenge you to list any countries that allow imports without tariffs, and exports without taxes.

Well, you may think you have "legitimate, scholarly, articles", but frankly all I've seen is you parroting the crap pushed by the MSM. If that is what your citing, it is neither "legitimate" or "scholarly".

 

I try to be realistic and think about super volcanoes, asteroids, gamma rays, etc. No one is getting out of here alive at this point. The only hope for mankind is to colonize another planet.

 

Not really, it's an IOU. But cashing in that IOU can help spread a message. It's one way to motivate people to help. If you believe in someone enough to think the rest of us should also, help spread his message to the rest of us. There is more than one way to move that message and not all of them require a checkbook.

The world won't be changed for you. If you want it changed, help change it.




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