Britain had more motivation to kill Aleksandr Litvinenko than Russia, brother claims

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  1. Fallen

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    The brother of Aleksandr Litvinenko says the UK government had more motivation to kill him than Russia did, despite a British public inquiry which concluded that President Putin “probably” approved the assassination.
    Maksim Litvinenko, Aleksandr's younger brother who lives in Rimini, Italy, responded to the Thursday report by saying it was “ridiculous” to blame the Kremlin for the murder of his brother, stating that he believes British security services had more of a motive to carry out the assassination.

    "My father and I are sure that the Russian authorities are not involved. It's all a set-up to put pressure on the Russian government,” Litvinenko told the Mirror, adding that such reasoning is the only explanation as to why the inquiry was launched 10 years after his brother's death.

    He called the British report a “smear” on Putin, and stressed that rumors claiming his brother was an enemy of the state are false. He added that Aleksandr had planned to return to Russia, and had even told friends about the move.

    Litvinenko went on to downplay his brother’s alleged role as a spy, working for either Russia or MI6, adding that the Western media is to blame for such characterization.

    "The Russians had no reason to want Alexander dead,” he said. “My brother was not a spy, he was more like a policeman...he was in the FSB [Russian Federal Security Service] but he worked against organized crime, murders, arms trafficking, stuff like that.”

    Litvinenko was murdered in London in 2006, when assassins allegedly slipped radioactive polonium 21 into his cup of tea at a hotel. But his brother Maksim cast doubt on whether that was actually the poison used, saying he believes it could have been planted to frame the Russians.

    "I believe he could have been killed by another poison, maybe thallium, which killed him slowly, and the polonium was planted afterwards,” he said. He added that requests to have his brother's body exhumed, in order to verify the presence of polonium, have been ignored by Britain.

    "Now after 10 years any trace [of polonium] would have disappeared anyway, so we will never know,” he said, adding that British authorities had not collaborated with Russian investigators on the case.

    “This case became a big PR campaign against the Russian government and its president in particular,” Maksim Litvinenko told RT in an interview in 2014. “The West is pressuring Russia very hard now. The MH-17 crash, Crimea, the war in Ukraine, sanctions against Moscow and now this inquiry – I'm not buying that this is a coincidence.”

    When asked why Aleksandr Litvinenko's widow Marina continues to maintain that the Kremlin is responsible for the murder, he said: “She lives in London, to survive she has to play the game and take this point of view. She can't say anything else."

    Back in 2012, Litvinenko’s father backtracked on his claims that Vladimir Putin was responsible for his son's death, and asked the Russian president for forgiveness. Walter Litvinenko told RT that his anger had made him say what the Western media wanted to hear.

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    Britain had more motivation to kill Aleksandr Litvinenko than Russia, brother claims
    Published time: 22 Jan, 2016 12:22
    Edited time: 22 Jan, 2016 15:35
    The grave of murdered ex-KGB agent Aleksandr Litvinenko is seen at Highgate Cemetery in London, Britain, January 21, 2016. © Toby Melville
    The grave of murdered ex-KGB agent Aleksandr Litvinenko is seen at Highgate Cemetery in London, Britain, January 21, 2016. © Toby Melville / Reuters
    The brother of Aleksandr Litvinenko says the UK government had more motivation to kill him than Russia did, despite a British public inquiry which concluded that President Putin “probably” approved the assassination.
    Maksim Litvinenko, Aleksandr's younger brother who lives in Rimini, Italy, responded to the Thursday report by saying it was “ridiculous” to blame the Kremlin for the murder of his brother, stating that he believes British security services had more of a motive to carry out the assassination.

    "My father and I are sure that the Russian authorities are not involved. It's all a set-up to put pressure on the Russian government,” Litvinenko told the Mirror, adding that such reasoning is the only explanation as to why the inquiry was launched 10 years after his brother's death.

    He called the British report a “smear” on Putin, and stressed that rumors claiming his brother was an enemy of the state are false. He added that Aleksandr had planned to return to Russia, and had even told friends about the move.

    ‘Probable involvement’ of Putin, Russian officials in #Litvinenko death - UK inquiry https://t.co/aoIiAL2nu3pic.twitter.com/muQ1wPqZWy

    — RT (@RT_com) January 21, 2016
    Litvinenko went on to downplay his brother’s alleged role as a spy, working for either Russia or MI6, adding that the Western media is to blame for such characterization.

    "The Russians had no reason to want Alexander dead,” he said. “My brother was not a spy, he was more like a policeman...he was in the FSB [Russian Federal Security Service] but he worked against organized crime, murders, arms trafficking, stuff like that.”

    Litvinenko was murdered in London in 2006, when assassins allegedly slipped radioactive polonium 21 into his cup of tea at a hotel. But his brother Maksim cast doubt on whether that was actually the poison used, saying he believes it could have been planted to frame the Russians.

    "I believe he could have been killed by another poison, maybe thallium, which killed him slowly, and the polonium was planted afterwards,” he said. He added that requests to have his brother's body exhumed, in order to verify the presence of polonium, have been ignored by Britain.

    "Now after 10 years any trace [of polonium] would have disappeared anyway, so we will never know,” he said, adding that British authorities had not collaborated with Russian investigators on the case.

    “This case became a big PR campaign against the Russian government and its president in particular,” Maksim Litvinenko told RT in an interview in 2014. “The West is pressuring Russia very hard now. The MH-17 crash, Crimea, the war in Ukraine, sanctions against Moscow and now this inquiry – I'm not buying that this is a coincidence.”

    When asked why Aleksandr Litvinenko's widow Marina continues to maintain that the Kremlin is responsible for the murder, he said: “She lives in London, to survive she has to play the game and take this point of view. She can't say anything else."

    UK Litvinenko death inquiry ‘biased,’ ‘very politicized’ – Russian ambassador to RT https://t.co/V2qsf4IcpUpic.twitter.com/zAVdGSbtI4

    — RT (@RT_com) January 21, 2016
    Back in 2012, Litvinenko’s father backtracked on his claims that Vladimir Putin was responsible for his son's death, and asked the Russian president for forgiveness. Walter Litvinenko told RT that his anger had made him say what the Western media wanted to hear.


    Meanwhile, the Russian Foreign Ministry has also dismissed the British report, blaming London for politicizing the “purely criminal” case of Litvinenko's death.

    Russia’s UK ambassador, Alexander Yakovenko, told RT that the inquiry's conclusion was “not justified,” and that the investigation was “very politicized” and “biased.”

    “In order to prove something, you have to present the facts. As soon as the British side proves…their conclusions, we will be ready to consider [them],” the ambassador said, adding that the Russian side “did not even have a chance to study the documents [of the investigation].”
     
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    Maybe Putin was involved with this assassination. Further investigation is needed to prove it.
     
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    Why Putin allegedly to kill Litvinenko, Nemtsov, Politkovskaya, and so on? These people do not have the popularity and did not represent a threat to the authority of Putin's team. England killed Litvinenko to create newsworthy information to blame Putin.
     
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    He accused Putin of being a pedophile who likes boys. Case closed. Putin who's KGB authorized it. No doubt.
     
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    It's very doubtful Putin was involved, and we know from the plane shoot down where no evidence has ever been presented, and even now is not being presented that Washington and London lie and demonize others whenever they want a regime change that will benefit them. Let's not forget the lies about the false flag chemical attack in Syria so they could bomb Damascus and help the terrorists win...not to mention all the lies in the past.

    Washington and London want Vladimir Putin out so they can put the criminals back into power to the detriment of the Russian people. The British are experts when it comes to assassinating others, and I recall reading about some Russian official who was in a hospital in Britain and about to be transferred to another one when he panicked and refused to go. He insisted he go back home to Russia. I also read that Vladimir Putin made sure he had his own bottled water when he was in London.

    When Vladimir Putin went to Australia the Russian navy was right off shore to make sure they didn't try any funny stuff, and there is still a question about the airliner shoot down in Ukraine and if it was an assassination attempt on Putin's life. His jet was in the vicinity and it was the same size and color as the one that was shot down.

    We will never know if it was an assassination attempt, unless Vladimir Putin decides to disclose whatever information he has. Also I read there was another assassination attempt in March, and it had something to do with the helicopter he was in. The Economist magazine had a cover showing him dressed in black and white next to an orange helicopter...which represented an orange revolution. The Economist is a British publication.
     
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    To accuse an archetypal alpha male of being a paedophile is only one step away from an accusation of homosexuality, and anyone who does it without any evidence is asking for trouble with a capital T.
     
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    You believe in any nonsense. I know.

    [video=youtube;5B0pydPFTSM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B0pydPFTSM[/video]
     
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    That's amusing in a way - it's one thing if two dysfunctional world powers have the temerity to attempt regime change in a banana state, or even in Syria, but Russia? That would be a bit like the theme of the movie The Mouse That Roared! Synopsis: Duchess Gloriana XII (played by Margaret Rutherford [​IMG] ) of the Duchy of Grand Fenwick declares war on the United States.
     
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    we all know Putin is a mass-murderer
     
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    And this is from Dr. Craig Robert a former economic adviser to President Reagan.

    They Tell Us Nothing But Lies

    A British governmental inquiry has concluded that Russian President Putin “probably approved” the killing of Alexander Litvinenko by polonium poisoning.

    As no evidence is provided for the surmise, we can conclude that this report on an unresolved event that happened a decade ago is part of the lies being used by the West to demonize Putin, just as the lies about MH-17 and “the Russian invasion of Ukraine.”

    Litvinenko’s brother and father say that they “are sure that the Russian authorities are not involved. It’s all a set-up to put pressure on the Russian government.” Maksim Litvinenko dismisses the British report as a smear on Putin. And that is what it is.

    “Our” government not only lies to us about the economy and the wars, it also lies about literally everything. For example, do you remember the Rwanda genocide? The story we were told is the exact opposite of the truth. Today the perpetrator of the genocide, Paul Kagame, is the President of Rwanda.

    Western governments and media have covered up his crimes and praise him as a great humanitarian who has healed Rwanda and is totally supported by the people. The truth is that Kagame has proved himself a worse totalitarian that Hitler, Stalin, and Poll Pot combined.

    Hmmm, isn't there something about satan being the father of all lies? So who is really running Washington?
     
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    Hmmm, a few posters on the forum accused Putin of the same thing. :confuse: If I was them I would be very, very careful.

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    In America, you assassinate the president

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    Maybe he was the man in the grassy knoll when soviet Russia planned the Kennedy Assasination
     
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    Why would Putin bother using plutonium when he could get encourage someone, who could encourage somebody else, who will tell another, who will in return instruct someone else, who will then pay somebody else to hire a group of people who will then hire somebody else to pay off a group crackheads, desperate broke people, or just straight out bums to kill whoever he wants. Stabling, shooting, kidnapping? It can all be done with no connection to the original source.

    While the your target journalist is killed by local low lives, Putin could then take this opportunity to slam Britain for allowing a his people to die in their country. So it can also be served as ammo for what ever reason.

    Why would Putin use known methods that can link his government to any assassination.

    Putin has been in KGB long enough to know this.

    That should be enough reason to see this assassination as unrelated to Russia. They simply wouldst use methods that they are known to use. Other wise whats the point of being discrete? Whats the point if everyone will suspect you immediately because of the method of assassination used? I happen to agree with the news article.

    Kremlin could have used so many assassination methods. They have painless needles that are used in syringes. You can barely feel it. A needle kept in a small vile of deadly poison. Quick unnoticeable prick in a crowded area would be all that it takes. Even a simple touch on the shoulder would be enough. Poisoning the water supply of a house would be even easier.

    I don't mean to keep beating the dead horse, but I just wanted to illustrate many ways how someone like Putin, or anyone else for that matter can easily poison someone and not get caught.

    With all of these violent Muslim refugees all over Europe, most of who are living in poverty. I'm surprised there aren't anymore assassinations. With all the ISIS running around, I figure creating a false ISIS involvement and paying local, angry, desperate refugees and local hoodlums to do the dirty work would be on the rage. Then some of the payed witnesses could report lies of how the killer recited the Qur'ran and how they might have heard someone praising Allah while saying ISIS.

    With the ISIS CRISIS going on, I bet assassination would be the furthest though from someones mind.

    Like I said. This would be too easy. Why would Putin create leads to his involvement by using a poison they they are known to use?

    Some crackheads suck $$$$ for money and other sell their children to pedophiles. Give give them a gun and tell them to go kill someone for few thousand dollars. I'm sure they would. Some crackheads in the hood will do it for $10.
     
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    not to mention why the Kremlin allowed Letvinenko out of Russia in the first place only to kill him in London later on?
     
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    Not to mention the report by his son that he planned to return to Russia to live, but died before he could.
     
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    Good point!
     
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    if that is true then it might be a reason for MI6 to want him dead.
     
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    That's what his son implied...
     
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    OK Boris, Natasha et al... so in a nut shell if I can summarize the posts to date you have provided:

    1-Putin is innocent
    2-Britain did it
    3-Putin is wonderful
    4-the family of the deceased loves Putin and blames Britain
    5-the wife of the deceased is a British stooge.


    There now. We done ? That's what you pass off as disinformation and counter-offensive posting on political forums these days?

    That's what they have trained you to write these days?

    Man in my day, the KGB was far more creator than the FSB. At least they knew how to embellish and puff up articles with absolute falsehoods but put just a tad of true information in them to keep people guessing.

    This stuff today is rank amateur.

    Listen up Boris, Natasha et al. Liv is the tip of the iceberg coming from within your own ranks.

    If you think Putin can crush it like Stain did good luck- its like a cancer-its spreading and violent amputations can't get to it now. Its too far spread. At best you can delay a tiny portion of its spread.

    Blaming Britain is pretty lame stuff.

    Go on look around at the starvation Liv was unveiling-your history repeats-an elite few control all the food and profit .


    Stalin, Breshnev, Andropov, Putin you guys just never learn. No FSB or KGB or agency can stop it. You don't feed people, they will turn on you.

    Go on deny what Putin did in St, Petersburg, and now what he does to all of Russia, Lol.

    Listen we know what's going down-maybe one more year before Putin has to send troops into the streets to start shooting hungry civilians again. Your own people say within a year.



    Regards,

    Bullwinkle

    p.s. see you in London next year apply for refugee statuts, who you kidding


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    no pass off whatsoever, just trying figure out what really happened.

    but wich one Litvinenko do you mean, FSB or MI6 one?

    why? Litvinenko worked for MI6 - check, killed in London - check, etc.

    people are well fed these days, correct me if i'm wrong.

    and what he does?

    why 'shooting' and, most of all, why necessarily 'hungry' people?.. or you mean he wants to invade Britain?
     
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    i'd like also to point out the 'last letter' Litvinenko 'wrote' - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...xander-litvinenko-inquiry-finds-a6824676.html - let's have a read:

    - gosh, what eloquence, especially from a dying person, eh?.. okay, it is possible one can get eloqent when on death bed, but why all of the sudden Litvinenko starts to sound like not a Russian but a typical anglo-saxon media hack taking on the subject of Russia while knowing it only from a 19th century literature class or Solzhenitsyn gulag stories, at best?

    let's highlight the most awkward passages in 'his death letter' -

    * poor job from Brit police then.
    ** [sic] how could he have been let die without saying that?
    *** oh, eat your heart out Edgar Poe!.. took you months to write something similar!
    ***** sure, of course, the obligatory wording is a must, otherwise not suitable for publishing in the Western media and Goebbels wouldn't have approved.
    ****** oh, how Orthodox Christian this is... reminds me of some opera, like Boris Godunov and so on, but most likely it's Verdi.


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