PA official: 2 state solution just a step towards destroying Israel

Its too late for a two state solution. Look at a settlement map.. The Israelis have built Jewish only homes on every hilltop and ridge... and they continue to recruit settlers.

 

Unlike Willreadmore I back up my comments.

1. Abbas refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLtTWcWuC8w

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...ael-as-Jewish-state-Abbas-says/1451417277575/

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Abbas-We-will-not-recognize-Israel-as-a-Jewish-state

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...No-recognition-of-Israel-as-Jewish-state.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...srael-as-jewish-state-201439161231209704.html


2. Hamas acceding to PA is false-the tensions are blatant between the 2 and their alliance in the past didn't last long

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hamas-rejects-PA-statehood-bid-at-the-UN-385546

http://www.vocfm.co.za/hamas-rejects-demand-to-hand-over-gaza-rule/

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-1.614333

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...ed-to-topple-the-Palestinian-Authority-371409

http://worldisraelnews.com/hamas-pa-steals-gazas-money/

http://www.jewishnews.net.au/hamas-to-abandon-government-with-pa/39379

http://hamodia.com/2015/03/09/pa-arrests-hamas-members-in-sweep-of-yehudah-and-shomron/

hey now how long ago was this:

http://worldisraelnews.com/palestin...y-government-establish-new-one-without-hamas/

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-alleges-pa-spied-gaza-armed-groups-684220814

3. Netanyah supports a one state solution-false



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/195660#.VqaVPJsgkps

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-idUSKBN0O529Z20150520

http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=16905

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Yah I have. Its not on every hilltop and ridge, but hey why let reality get in the way of the discussion.

 

Yes - Italy is not one of the more than 130 nations that has recognized Palestine.

You're simply failing to respond to what I actually DID say. But, this one's good enough.

 

1. Hamas leadership of Gaza joined the "unity government" of Abbas one year ago even though it gave them no seats, required them to agree to limit to diplomatic means in dealing with Israel, and required them to agree to Israel's permanence (which they have done for years anyway, so no big deal on that one).

2. Abbas has LONG recognized Israel's right to permanence as a state. He's never going to agree to Israel being apartheid - maybe that is what you are referring to.

3. No, you are simply wrong about that. Ask the IDF. The IDF has long stated that Abbas is their primary partner in West Bank security. THAT has been the focus of Abbas.

4. Netanyahu has stated that he is opposed to a two state solution on many occasions. Obviously, his plan is to drive non-Jews from West Bank and subsume that land once it is ethnically cleansed.

The UNSC would have recognized Palestine as a state had not the US guaranteed a veto. And, they DO recognize Palestine as an observer state - something the US lobbied long and hard to prevent, but we were a tiny minority without a veto on that issue.


Once again, Abbas does not recognize Israel's right to being apartheid, but he has long stated that Israel is a permanent state - regardless of the illegality of its creation.

 

It was always a pipe dream. Reality bites - real hard. Especially in the ME.

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Tyvm for the very good cites.

 

"Palestine, from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south, is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it," –Khaled Mashal

 

Did you know, over 70% of Israeli Palestinians consider Israel good place to live? Do they know something you don't?

 

The PA and Hamas both advocate on-going violence in what they see is their continuing war to end Israel as a Jewish state.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...romise-more-violence-and-death-in-2016-440783

However I have told people I lived with Palestinians. Not all of them are pawns of Abbas or Hamas:

http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/2...efy-pa-try-calm-tensions/#fpdulzHFDgLeb88U.97

There are Palestinians well aware Abbas is 8- and his reign is coming to an end. They also know Hamas has since it lost its last offensive against Israel seeking aid from Iran on both the West Bank and in Gaza preparing for a new war.

The problem is Hamas by turning to Iran this last year has made an enemy of ISIL which has moved into Gaza. It also is cozing up to a regime that finances an enemy of Hamas-Hezbollah.

Hamas is a creation of the Muslim Brotherhood. That Muslim Brotherhood also created Al Quaeda and its offshot Al Nusra in Syria. Hamas risks a lot turning on the Muslim Brotherhood's enemy, Iran. Then again the Muslim Brotherhood despises Saudi Arabia which like Egypt at this point wants no Islamic extremists of any kind operating near its borders.

Saudi Arabia after years of paying off Sunni extremists now finds itself the target of both them and Shiite extremists.

Egypt has made it public it considers ISIL, Hamas, Hezbollah, all Muslim extremist groups on either side of the Shiite-Sunni civil war enemies. So has Jordan.

Obama in his lameduck last year threw his final stand in with Iran as a payback for the Saudis and Egyptians not supporting him and the Muslim Brotherhood, including Morsi, Erdogan and the puppet regime in Sudan.

The PA is obsolete. Its war against Israel is dwarfed by a larger civil war between Shiite and Sunni nations.

The war between Sunni monarchies and Egypt v.s. Shiite Iran and its puppets Lebanon, Yemen and Syria is too far gone to pay proper attention to Abbas.

Bahrain, Yemen, Chad, Niger, Tunisia, Mali, Malawi, Nigeria, Iraq, Burkina Faso, Sudan, these are the new war zones of Sunni v. Shiite war. The terrorist cells like Hamas. Hezbollah, Al Quaeda, to survive, must fight on one or the other side of this war for now, Israel is not a priority. In fact Israel is used by both sides equally to neutralize the other.

Israel geographically is in a defence alliance with Egypt and Jordan. Its sharing of borders with these nations and their mutual distrust of all Muslim extremists on either side, led to this out of necessity. Russia has an unwritten agreement with Israel not to interfere if Israel flies into Syria to take out PFLP, Hezbollah, or other anti Israel terror cells. On the other hand Israel has agreed to stay clear of Russia's jets. That same arrangement was reached between Israel and the alliance over Syria. Turkey is a mutual air enemy of Russia and Israel as well as Iran. Turkey has entered itself into a war with Israel, Russia, Iran, ISIL and the Kurds as unbelievable as that is.

What we have in Israel-West Bank is just one of thousands of conflict zones in the ME.

The ME is a sea of chaos of wars between nations, between terror cells, between terror cells and nations and enemies fighting in temporary alliances against other enemies only to change the next day where allied enemies go back to fighting each other.

There are no sides. TThere is no one clear constellation of alliances or aligned groups.

The PA is a dinosaur. Its network is corupted by officials stealing the aid money when it does come and it threatens to rupture from within as young restless extremists want to replace the fading 80 year old Abbas and his cronies.

PA and Hamas can pretend all they want they are united but they are at war over control of the West Bank which Iran wants using Hamas as a temporary proxy.

Iran's no.1 enemy is Saudi Arabia but its obsession with Israel confuses and splits its attention away from the war in Syria with Saudi Arabia. Iran wants a toe hold in Bahrain, Yemen, Iraq, the West Bank and is directly threatening the UAE and Kuwait. China (and therefore its proxy Russia), are committed for now to Israel and not just Iran and I believe is influential enough to prevent a war between the two as CHina sees its naval alliance with Israel too important to subordinate to an Iranian war.

Russia also is not going to side with anyone destroying Israel at this time. Like China it needs Netanyahu to serve as a buffer to the very extremists who support Muslim extremists in both their nations. As well both China and Russia despise Obama as does Netanyahu so that keeps them on the same temporary practical level. You can put as confusing as that is France and Germany as well who both see Obama more of a problem than China or Russia in the ME and share Israels' concern over Obama and Muslim extremists of all kinds.

Mr. Abbas is a fading dinosaur. He has young men disgusted at his leadership. Abbas is desperate openly supporting the knife campaign now underway in Israel. Hamas is threatening in 2016 another round of intifadah with its own operatives in the West Bank but if that happens, the Hamas and Fatah factions will soon war with each other over who does what.

Its ironic because nothing cohesive ever happens in the Middle East. The anarchistic nature of Arab peoples shatters any structured movement of organized attack or war. All you are rendered with are a series of insane, meaningless, fragmented attacks with no one emerging as a victor.

 

It is noteworthy that the source of this additional excuse for the ruling Right Wing Zionist Regime comes from "The Tower Magazine" which is a product of T.I.P. (The Israel Project) & one of the cogs of Israel's slick & savvy Multi Million (Billion?) dollar, State run Propaganda Industry aka Hasbara Network which has trained & professionally scripted over 50,000 paid Hasbara Trolls. It holds the same credibility as any of the vapid, scripted Hasbara lines we've all heard before:

“HASBARA BINGO”
https://cintayati.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/hasbara-bingo.jpg

Since Netanyahu has openly declared the timeless & true sentiments held by all previous Israeli governments: an absolute refusal to seriously consider making peace, now it's time for the Hasbara Industry to come up with excuses for the continuation of Ethnic Cleansing, land theft & illegal Settlement construction.

Apparently we are supposed to believe the reasons that the Israeli government MUST continue to massacre civilians by the thousands is because a quote from a powerless & obscure Occupied Palestinian official whose name you've probably already forgotten.

We are supposed to swallow the pathetically stupid Hasbara line that a pitiful collection of Occupied, de facto inmates with no air force, no navy, no heavy weaponry & an outnumbered, outgunned Resistance group is a serious threat to the 3rd - 4th most powerful military in the world & a U.S. protectorate with both among the largest Bio / Chem & Nuclear Weapon arsenals in the world.

So there you have it. The world's most heavily subsidized Ethnic cleansing Regime absolutely MUST keep using some of the most professionally tormented & persecuted people on the planet as Human Guinea Pigs for experimental A.I. / Robotic weaponry [1], captive fodder for Israel's torturous & criminal Chemical weapons development program [2], while systematically mutilating, burning, suffocating & dismembering them by the thousands with conventional weaponry & stealing what can't be destroyed.

Above all, the Israeli's must block the only medical personnel capable of treating the untreatable wounds inflicted by IDF's criminal ordinance[3] because of the threat he poses by easing the suffering of those women, children, men, infants & elderly slowly dying some of the most painful deaths imaginable.

By all means, the Ethnic Cleansing must proceed as quickly & painfully as possible.

Oh, and don't forget to remember the Holocaust®



[1] “The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population”
http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

EXCERPT “The Lab,” which won a recent award at DocAviv, Israel’s documentary Oscars...
..., the film presents the first close-up view of Israel’s arms industry and the dealers who have enriched themselves.
Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.
The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank."CONTINUED


[2] “Medical personnel claim Israel tested new weapons during attacks on Gaza”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...-new-weapons-during-attacks-on-gaza-1.1919645

EXCERPTS “Doctors and an ambulance officer believe Israel tested new weapons during its July 8th – August 26th assault on the Gaza Strip.

“The five children from the al-Jaal family in Zeitoun were the strangest thing I ever saw in my life.”
The room where three girls and two boys...
... “Their bodies were hot. Their hair and skin were black liked charred wood. When their parents arrived at the hospital, they didn’t recognise them,”

Dr Sobhi Skaik, chief surgeon and medical director at Shifa hospital and a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh, told me earlier: “We saw third-degree burns that cannot be explained; neither flame burns nor chemical burns.

It was as if the patient became mummified, and most of them died. Their skin blackened and their tissue became tough and solid. I saw dozens of patients like this in the intensive care unit,

. “I saw more than a dozen bodies that looked normal, with no marks or wounds. But when we touched them they were slippery. If you tried to pick them up, the flesh fell off like jelly. We had to roll them in blankets.” CONTINUED



[3] “Israel shuts Dr Gilbert out from Gaza for life”
http://www.thelocal.no/20141114/israel-shuts-gilbert-out-from-gaza-for-life
EXCERPT “Now the Israeli government is stating that Gilbert is banned for security reasons, according to an email from the Norwegian embassy in Tel Aviv. The embassy took up the case on Gilbert's behalf after he was refused entry last month.” CONTINUED

 

Er, that's because Israel only understands force. If the resistance stopped, the Jews would succeed in their goals of establishing Eretz Israel in a matter of weeks.

 

Yes, you can find radical statements by many of those in both Israel (including Netanyahu) and in Palestine.

But, there are important points such as happened in the creation of the unity government of Palestine where there were concrete statements and people had to agree in order to join.

It is those agreements that we need to see as important, as those show the possibility of movement toward a solution.

 

there won't ever be a two-state solution, the way things are going.

Israel will be one state, from the river to the sea.

the only question is: will it be a democracy or an Apartheid regime?

 

There are some supporters of a two state solution, but a single state that claims to be the jewish state is IMPOSSIBLE, unless the palestinians resident in the WB et.al. are expelled and gaza is ignored.

There's some pretty whacky jews in Israel who are prefectly comfortable with such a solution and many orthodox zionists go even further:

http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future


And then there's this little gem from the PLO.

No wonder its such a huge clustermuck.

 

I say we move Israel to the USA and move the refugees to palistine

America would have no issue getting along with Jews.... solve two problems for us, as many Americans have issue with the refugees

sure there is some spare room in Texas, that state is huge

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The liars just keep on lying...

 

Yikes, I walked into this thread ready to lambast Israel.

I'm with Israel

 

Do not think for a second that the filth arab muslims will then stop at trying to expand and attack more people/countries; as we speak they are engaging in a mass invasion of europe. Capitulation on any front to the totalitarian, diseased, malignant forces of the death cult called "islam" will only embolden that scourge even more.

 

A lot of people on the left side with Palestinians over Israel simply because Republicans don't

 

A popular pastime this is...

 

The place was called Judea before Palestine

The Romans changed it because they were pissed

Not saying this makes Israel right, just some food for thought

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_Palaestina

 

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...the article shows ON VIDEO the PA official making this comment:

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5275.htm

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Hey man, you Republicans do it too!

*** - oops, means to quote Mike. My bad

 

Over 70% of Israeli Arabs call Israel a good place to live. Some apartheid state it is, eh?

 

Do you have any particular evidence that suggest that Palestinians even wanted to live there if the Jews weren't there? When answering, please keep in mind the number of Arabs living in the Judea and Samaria before and since Israel

 

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