Math Is NOT The anguage of the Universe

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  1. 10A

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    Well some guesses are better than others. The guesses are tested and refined, those that fail are discarded. The whole of QM was based on a successful guess (some say a successful mistake). But Feynman was right, eventually asking "why" is impossible to a point, and this was exactly my point with why I said physics rarely answers the "why" question. In this case, why is quantum behavior probabilistic and not deterministic? Well the person asking the question can't even understand classical mechanics much less quantum mechanics, so there's no basis or framework for communicating an answer. And suppose that person did, and I answer it in terms they can understand, then the next "why" comes up and we move to another level of misunderstanding.
     
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    You think cats really do jump from the Earth to the Moon and back? Ok......:alcoholic:
     
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    Math is a measurement of change. Wholes and halfs are just relative to what you anticipate change to be (the cutting). A half an apple is a whole half for instance.
     
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    Obviously not, but your determination to pretend otherwise is perfectly understandable.
     
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    In a sense, yeah, but it is not a thing by which all things can be accounted for, meaning it's not the language of existence, so to speak, or "the code". Rather, I think, math seems to be something through which you can describe or emphasize certain things about that code, like patterns, proportions, and measuring the certain vectors involved by this or that. I'm thinking it really is a language of quantitative analysis? Is that a bit closer?
     
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    It really is just a human construct to indicate a change. Of course it cannot account for everything. Humans can conceive of very little and most of that is human-centric.
     
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    That same thought process brought us the atom and so on...

    It's actually the basis of physics alone..
     
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    The laws of physics are wrong, our physics here on Earth only apply to us - the laws of physics are not absolute.... In theory we live in bubbles - we live in a bubble universe colliding with other bubble universes...

    I wish I could expand (no pun intended) more on this ...
     
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    You've said more than enough. Really.
     
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    You clearly have never done quantum mechanics. Quantum theory is the most precise theory ever developed by humankind -- it's predictions are verified with astonishing accuracy and precision. Quantum theory does not predict single observations, it predicts averages over observations. That doesn't mean it isn't predictive, in fact, this is one of the fundamental postulates of quantum theory.

    I would agree the human brain is the most complex object in the observable universe. However, I believe the universe to be far simpler than we could have ever possibly imagined.
     
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    Funny, I guess those quantum mechanics courses I took are all for naught.

    "Quantum theory does not predict single observations...." Sounds familiar.

    "That doesn't mean it isn't predictive, in fact, this is one of the fundamental postulates of quantum theory."

    What postulate would that be? There's 6 of them, which one says it's predictive? None of them of course. There are postulates that say the wave function determines everything you can know about a system, but everything you know falls short of prediction. You clearly have not "done" quantum mechanics. How is a 50% chance of spin up, or a 50% chance of spin down, predictive?

    That's like predicting the Broncos will win the Superbowl, since there's a 50% chance the Broncos will win and there's a 50% chance the Panthers will win.
     
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    You cannot do that with electrons. So I guess math is real after all.
     
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    its the new way of spelling language...just like the new of doing math..very confusing
     

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