Do aetheists have more rights than christians

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by JStee, Jan 21, 2016.

  1. Bow To The Robots

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    You follow whatever words you wish. What you may not do, however, is put those words on my government buildings. And FFS, GET IT OFF MY MONEY.

    That's not what the Constitution says.
     
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    To me, it's less about whether or not people were forced to acknowledge the display, but instead that the government was using public money to pay for it. The government willings chose to use public money to put up and maintain a purely Judeo-Christian monument. That is a blatant violation of the first amendment.
     
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    Yet laws banning places like liquor stores from operating on Sunday's are in place in hundreds of counties across the US. Those laws are Christian supported.
     
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    Not to mention our Republican presidential candidates!
     
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    That is nothing but semantic quibbling.

    The separation of church and state is clearly defined in the first amendment. It stipulates that the government is banned from endorsing any religion.

    Having the 10 commandments on a government court house is an endorsement of Christianity and therefore a violation of the separation of church and state.
     
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    It shouldn't. But it is of concern to the religion business.
     
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    Utter nonsense!

    The Constitution was ratified in 1788 whereas the BoR was only written in 1789 and subsequently ratified in 1791.
     
  8. JStee

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    Very true.christianity is in fact a part of this countries history and should be taught as history.i by no means am saying it should be forced on anyone.same sex marriage im sure will someday be taught as part of american history.my point is no matter how much people dont like something does not mean it never happened.aetheism is a part of this countries history as well.awareness should be brought to our differences.ignoring or assuming we know something only causes more division.
     
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    yes to all of that. I already have stare at a big Jamaican colorful hat because it's part of my coworkers religion. Might as well add this pasta dish you're talking about. I certainly wouldn't wine about it like some of these new age PC police.
     
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    Now my next question, many Christians have opposed bitterly the addition of any other faiths symbols on public property, does your and others who are more tolerant lack of public opposition just empower those who want to impose their symbols on the rest of us?
     
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    Aetheists do have more rights They have the right to enforce their beliefs on others on government property.although there are mixed views aetheism is a religion,in fact its a religious practice in some religions.in order for all religious rights to be upheld it needs to be concretely considered a religion.
     
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    If atheism is a "religion"....does that mean that NOT collecting butterflies is a "hobby"?
     
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    Now where would all of that leave us.with a lack of freedom of speech or expression for everyone not just those who believe in their religion.i assure you that when a truly God fearing person puts something religious for all to see they are only trying to help.you can choose to accept it or ignore it.it only has as much power as you give it.
     
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    How is not believing in God a religion? I don't believe in fairies, but there's no "disbelieving fairies" religion. And atheists don't "enforce their beliefs on others on government property". Instead, they believe there should be no religious objects on government property in order to prevent favoring any group over another.
     
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    Right so aetheists want their beliefs to be favored over anothers.look up the definition of aetheism.
     
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    When did you become the head of the aetheist church.I have heard from many aetheists who find it ridiculous that people are even arguing about this.
     
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    Merriam-Webster:

    Not believing in something cannot possibly be a religion. I don't believe the sun will explode tomorrow. What religion is that?

    Atheists are preventing YOU from your belief being favored by you being granted permission to have YOUR religious item on public land. There's a huge difference. You WANT favoritism. Atheists simply want you treated like everyone else...to be told you can't. That's equality. If you get permission, YOU get favoritism, which is what is to be avoided. You're twisting it as if the atheist gets something special out of the deal. Equality is not favoritism.
     
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    Atheists don't have churches, as much as you'd like them to so your point could have a tinge of reality. And I'm not an atheist. I'm just showing you their side of the argument because your side is relying on atheists belonging to a religion so you can try to prove their religion gets special treatment.
     
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    Atheists vs theists. Monotheists vs polytheists. Christians vs Jews vs Muslims vs Buddhists, vs ..., sect vs sect, etc., etc., etc.

    If you fancy State imposition of belief tchotchkes and jujus on public property, just assume that they are going to be someone else's.


    The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a moral maxim or principle of altruism found in nearly every human culture and religion, suggesting it is related to a fundamental human nature. The maxim may appear as either a positive or negative injunction governing conduct:

    • One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.

    • One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated.

    • What you wish upon others, you wish upon yourself.
     
  20. JStee

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    Aetheism is also the lack of belief in a deity.which means aetheists are not sure any God exists.I dont understand what are you afraid of?Wouldnt it be better for everyone to be forthcoming with who they are and what they believe.Once you know what a person believes then you know how to interact with them.Just like you would anyone else.removing a religious display doesnt shift power one way or the other.with or without that display isnt going to change the minds of those running the building it only encourages them even more and causes more division.
     
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    Monotheists vehemently deny the existence of nearly all the gods.

    That makes them borderline atheists.
     
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    Because atheists appear to get government endorsement on every front. That's called oppression my friend. This is coming from someone who does not practice any religion. Christianity is so obviously under attack on so many different fronts across the world. I think its interesting that you can oppress Christianity to an extreme level and there is a sense of understanding, however you say one thing about any other religion and you are painted to be the anti-christ. You have to ask yourself the tough questions. Consider this:

    Hate toward Christianity is being taught in middle eastern countries. Masses of Christians are being jailed and executed for their faith and terror attacks are being launched accross the world to push forth another religion and oppose all others. I find it very interesting that with all of this happening, President Obama not only ignores it...he proceeds to lecture the American people on intolerance, racism and freedom of religion when such events occur. I must be missing something. Last time I checked, Americans weren't rounding up citizens of Islamic faith and executing them for their religious beliefs. In fact I see the opposite, I see them being allowed to practice their religion to the full. Mosques across the country. I have no problem with this, in fact I think its exactly a perfect example of what our country stands for. Freedom. So tell me again, why are Christian Americans being lectured on intolerance? Open your eyes..
     
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    I believe in one God thats practiced through many religions.There are many words written inside and outside of government buildings quoted by many different men,people either agree or disagree with the quotes,some just dont care either way. The ten commandments were written by a man who believed God was speaking to him,nonetheless, it was written by a man for the people for the purpose of self-preservation,because its associated with religion those words are controversial.What about the image of Gods and Goddesses in public buildings?I suppose thats just art.as i said a long time ago we will end up living in a steal cage if we take down or take away everything we feel shows favortism to someone elses religion.
     
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    If atheism is a "religion" where are the priests, the holy books, the hymnals, the sacraments, the places of worship, the dogma, etc, etc?

    Only theists lie about atheism and call it a religion.
     
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    Seriously?

    You don't know how to interact with atheists because they don't believe in a superstition?

    :roflol:
     

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