Parasites", "looters", and "moochers"

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Are you talking about the mega corporations who get bailed out by taxpayers?
     
  2. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't give them a right to selfishly place an avoidable burden upon others. Whether it's corporate profit or individual welfare, when you misalign incentives people will abuse each other.
     
  3. Quantum Nerd

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    I guess laissez-faire is the extrapolation of supply side economics to the extreme. If one hasn't worked, why should the more extreme form work?

    Advocates of laissez-faire capitalism are as deluded as communists. Human nature as an individual, but social animal makes sure that neither of the two extremes is viable, despite the dreams of the people advocating for these systems.

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    I agree with your analysis. As I said before, though, I am not sure if we are ready for such a dramatic change as in taxing land value only.
     
  4. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really! There's a deeper issue here beyond any objection to ad hominem argument. It's the light an author's own behavior throws directly on their belief system/ philosophy. If you don't understand that maybe a little chat with Barbara Branden would enlighten you? That is if she's still with us.
     
  5. usfan

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    This is not a popular topic on this forum. I posted a very similar one last year, & ended up boycotting the forum for a while. It did not go on for that long, but i bowed out fairly early on.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/402618-produce-mooch-loot.html

    Here is an excerpt:
     
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    Are you insane , the line never ends and never will ! We are paying for 16 to 20 MILLION illegals they are hopping over the fence by the thousands and Obama wants more refugees that have no intentions of learning the language , or working. Our schools will soon need the UN translators . Today the taxpayer is burdened with having to pay two teachers in every class room because these student don't speak or understand English nor do they care to . There have been a record number of hospitals that have gone bankrupt because they have to care for the illegals regardless of ability to pay . They head for the ER like most head to the grocery store .
     
  7. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    No, this is precisely why we talk about ad hominem as fallacy. Somebody's actions depend upon much more than whether they know something or not. For example, it takes more and more discipline to the extent that one has desires which oppose what one knows to be true (e.g. a really strong desire to eat white chocolate all the time, versus a desire to live long and knowledge that eating a lot of white chocolate daily will jeopardize that). Somebody who says it is bad to eat chocolate everyday is not wrong about it because they eat chocolate every day. They could be wrong because chocolate has antioxidants that fight cancer and chocolate is only unhealthy if it causes you to gain weight, or whatever, but not because of their personal choices.

    An argument's validity is not dependent upon its source at all, but it's reasonable to use credibility as a shortcut for how much you want to verify what somebody asserts. What's not reasonable is to dismiss an argument because of a lack of credibility, and it's always a little risky to unquestioningly accept something because somebody with credibility asserts it (appeal to authority), but most of us just don't have time to check the evidence for everything. For an argument we first must assess its internal logical consistency, and then we must find a way to test it in the real world.
     
  8. Colonel K

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    The moochers have been stopped in their tracks tonight. The High Plains Grifter leaders have been arrested.
     
  9. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poor? In the US? Compared to what?

    Poverty in the US is a logical fallacy called a moving goal. Over the history of the US, we have solved poverty every forty years. At any point during US history, if the standard for poverty was what it was forty years prior, poverty would be considered all but solved.
     
  10. Jango

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    As well moronic from the shortsightedness of their "arguments". While they may have a nice paying job today, there is no guarantee that it will still be there for them tomorrow. What then? "Find another job" is the common refrain. But what if a permanently disabling injury is the result of losing said well-paying job? What then? Does workman's compensation not fall under what they consider "parasitic", "looting" or "mooching"? What happens when they get too old to work like they did when they were young? Collect Social Security, right? But, if they're as nihilistic as their statements are, will they volunteer themselves up for their "remedies" the very moment they become a non-worker?
     
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    Isnt the white culture already in danger of losing their true blood? Bad idea dude...bad idea. There is a better idea for the trailer park trash that refuses to work the farm. Dunno what it is, but not that.

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    Tried that..cost WAY too much.

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    What is your definition of welfare?
     
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    Lol best reply award goes to.....

    :clapping:
     
  13. Vernan89188

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    I don't think they hate them...I think it is a jelly thing to some degree when they see that they are not as unhappy as they should be.
    Gosh forbid people whom have made mistakes in life,(and got caught) be allowed to enjoy it till the bitter end.
    I knew people whom were at that point...A simple, hey look at this side of the greener lawn, sober, is all it took.
     
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    Do you knows how high taxes are in California ?
     
  15. Western Empire

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    Although I agree that the things being said in this thread are out of control....it's not the rich who hate the poor. The poor hate the rich. The rich already fund billions and billions of dollars worth of programs to support the poor and help. Do they get credit? No. Not to mention they are forced to do this by the government by having to paying more in taxes than the rest of us. Is this morally right? Yes maybe so, but it still doesn't make it their responsibility to finance the poor around the world. Capitalism works exactly the way its supposed to. It rewards the extraordinary greatly, the average, averagely and the poor, poorly. Maybe that is harsh? But hey, my Mom once told me, "Life ain't fair".
     
  16. JakeJ

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    People do not hate the poor. People hate alcoholic and drug-addict bums, they hate lazyass people for whom the government forcible steals money from their paychecks and retirement to give to lazyass bums. People hate welfare single mothers who make welfare a lifestyle, having a baby every 3 years so they can live off everyone else neither working or parenting. People hate welfare frauds, self-pity people who demand everyone feel sorry for them, accusing everyone else of their failures, and demanding everyone work for them and give them their money.

    The government continues to build generational welfare lifestyles. From living a whole life on welfare planning to do so from the start, to disability fraud, the endless laziness and theft is what people hate. And some people hate how the government has built up such a massive number of such bums and thefts, lazyass people, that they are overwhelmingly the greatest voting bloc in this country - for which the country is rapidly becoming a socialistic state of massive government control of endless laws and imprisonments.
     
  17. JakeJ

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    For most, poverty now means a home, car, big screen TV with cable or satellite, a full refrigerator for which most poor are also obese, air conditioning, heat, water, an Ipad, video games, free medical care, and an endless supply of liquor, plus pocket money for shopping, drugs and much more.

    THAT is "poverty" in the USA. It is being more WEALTHY than they can every hope for to over half the people of the world.
     
  18. Chronocide Fiend

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    I agree that capitalism is a useful system, but it's a little naive to call it perfect. It's not completely merit based. As long as we can observe that "Life ain't fair" why not do something to adjust for that? Of course, as you say, that is already being done to an extent. We can quibble over what the "right" amount is, but it's the outcome that matters. Is the outcome optimal? No. It seems like wealth disparity is already well beyond what is best for the overall well-being of the country and the economy.
     
  19. Professor Peabody

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    No, the represent the failure of the human spirit. Why? Because we enable them to sit around and do nothing and get paid to do so. BTW they are parasites no more or less than leeches.
     
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    Thank you folks thank you...just throw money everyone....
    By the way, take a look and listen to our new Ambassador to Washington, Joe Hockey.
    What a schmuck he is...can you believe he was once our Treasurer...
    No wonder the place is going down the toilet....
    Have a listen to him...he couldnt string two sentences together....couldnt
    run a grape vine over a sh1thouse.......:roflol:
     
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    Enough to afford welfare burgers for everybody!!! :clapping:

    oh, and some section 8 housing in a nice neighborhood that's next to a good school and a hospital that accepts obamacare.
     
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    An economic is a trade-off.
    The study of economics is the study of trade-offs.
    An economy is the allocation of scarce resources that have alternative uses.
    Capitalism is an economic system that is controlled by price moves.
    There are many forms of capitalism ranging from crony capitalism to free market capitalism.
     
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    Yeah, that really boggles my mind. It is as if those ones who look down on the poor actually think they are immune from bad luck and the general decline of competitiveness brought about by aging. I swear some of them are stuck in the mindset of a 15 year old boy, who thinks he is invincible and hasn't really grasped the concept of mortality yet. And that includes some retirees on this board who are on social security, having the gall to call others on entitlement programs moochers. Oh, but they have paid in all their hard working life, so they deserve it....

    Any of the hard-working producers could be converted to a moocher for life any moment in time. All it takes is being hit by a drunk driver, or falling off a ladder changing a light bulb, or getting cancer at an early age etc.. Of course, they will say that these kind of people have worked for their entitlements, so they are not to blame for their bad luck. However, they fail to see that a lot of the less fortunate did not have a chance to be producers to begin with. When you grow up in a rich or upper middle class household, you are protected from bad decisions. Those kids make them too, just as the poor, but mommy and daddy fixes it for them. When you are poor, those bad decisions add up and compound.

    We all know, though, that many of our conservative friends have trouble to see the world through someone else's eyes. Al they can muster is disdain and fear of the ones that are not exactly like them.
     
  24. Dissily Mordentroge

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    One way of testing the validity of a moral code is to examine the behaviour of it's author in the real world. The argument may appear logically consistent on the surface but it's the success or otherwise of putting it into practice that concerns me. If that comes across as somewhat utilitarian so be it. I have to confess however as a long disillusioned ex objectivist I may have a vested interest in focusing on Rands 'sins' and they were many.
     
  25. Dissily Mordentroge

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    There's more than a hint of a summation of objectivist philosophy in that.
     

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