I think unborn babies deserve protection. Here's what you wrote earlier: "I do wish people would fact check there links and comments, China does not enforce abortion, it is actually illegal to force an abortion onto a woman in China .. The article, yet again, is attempting to compare apples to oranges, there is no issue with a group supporting a one child policy, no where are they supporting forced abortion.. the article and the Representative are just indulging in a guilt by association fallacy. Forced abortions are a violation of Chinese law and are not official policy .. however .. I have no doubt that they do happen, just as in any other country, and personally I do not support a woman being forced to abort OR being forced to remain pregnant .. pro-lifers are of the same mind set as those who force abortions on women, they want to force them to remain pregnant, what ever way you look at it both of them advocate using force." Do government officials in China force abortions on women, yes or no? What is your evidence that it is illegal in China to force women to have abortions? If government officials are forcing women to have abortions, aren't forced abortions official policy? Is it wrong to support a one baby policy? Do you condemn President Obama and The United Nations Population Fund for their support of China's policy? http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-and-forced-abortions-in-china/article/27469 http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...-its-forced-abortions-in-china-using-us-funds http://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...tions-in-china-chen-guangcheng-tells-congress Liberal elites and the pro-abortion movement support China's abortion policy. There goes the myth that liberal elites and the pro-abortion movement value choice and women's rights! Killing an unborn baby is the opposite of protecting babies. We should protect vulnerable life, whether it's unborn babies or oppressed women.
The one child policy means forced abortion among other horrors. Quote from my earlier link: Communist party gives local bureaucrats population control goals to meet. When number of births exceeds the desired limit, the bureaucrats sometimes decide to round up women and abort their children. For example, in April 2007 in Guangxi province, "61 pregnant women were injected with an abortive drug after being dragged to local hospitals". If Obama funds China's population control program without requiring China to prosecute those performing forced abortions--or, ideally, requiring China to do away with its one-child policy altogether--there will be a lot more horrifying stories coming out of China--brought to you, in part, by the American taxpayer.
Maybe we should be skeptical of studies that purport to buttress liberal preconceptions. http://chronicle.com/blogs/pageview/harvard-press-leans-left-economists-say/28133 http://theweek.com/articles/441474/how-academias-liberal-bias-killing-social-science http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/1/liberal-majority-on-campus-yes-were-biased/?page=all www.cwu.edu/~manwellerm/academic bias.pdf
According to scientific data on the website www.doctorsonfetalpain.com, there are many scientific studies that indicate that 20 weeks the fetus can experience pain. Personally believe an elective abortion should be legal only during the first 3 months of gestation and after that only when the mother's life is compromised or the fetus diagnosed with a life threatening problem or o me that will significantly reduce their quality of life.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10403496 Anti abortion activists are always thinking up new reasons to try to prevent women seeking abortions.
I agree for myself, but the law states otherwise. In excess of 90% of abortions are first trimester. The ones that are third trimester are due to testing that leads to an abortion being a medical necessity.
Ya, and you were NOT worried and you backed Bush 110% when he went to war in Iraq and happily slaughtered thousands of babies , unborn and born, and women and children and the taxpayers got a whopping bill. And now you're "concerned" about China ? BA LONE Y !!!!! Only the ignorant would think that the US ONLY deals with countries who do no wrong, there aren't any...they even think China has something to do with fetal pain.
Finally you quote me in full .. progress at last. Sorry yes or no answers never reveal the true context. If I answered yes you would crow with delight and then make some stupid comment, SOME government officials have been found to force women to get abortions, and even in the case you highlighted those government officials were punished. From your own source - "after an investigation, two county-level or lower officials were fired, and five others received warnings or demerits. The report also said the county government had been ordered to give a living subsidy to Ms. Feng." - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/w...-abortion-case-still-under-pressure.html?_r=1 If I say no you will call me a liar, so in reality the answer cannot be yes or no. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/w...y-planning-workers-after-forced-abortion.html http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-06/27/content_15524501.htm The State Compensation Law - http://www.china.org.cn/china/LegislationsForm2001-2010/2011-02/12/content_21905705.htm The Administrative Litigation Law (ALL) - http://chinalawtranslate.com/administrative-litigation-law-draft-revisions/?lang=en No, there are always bad apples in any organization, what makes you think a government is any better at keeping them out? eg. Does the fact that Rick Renzi (R-AZ) was convicted of 17 charges including wire fraud, conspiracy, extortion, racketeering, money laundering and making false statements to insurance regulators, mean it is Republican policy? or Michael Grimm (R-NY) or Trey Radel (R-FL or Lewis Libby (R) or Bob Ney (R-OH) or Duke Cunningham (R-CA) or Bill Janklow (R-SD) What you are attempting to do is create a guilty by association fallacy, where just because some people are guilty of something all of the people in their group set are ... it is a fallacy. I've already answered whether it is wrong or not, BTW you do know that the one child policy has been changed from 1st January 2016 don't you? Why would I condemn Obama & UNPF when there is no real evidence that either support forced abortion, what you need to do is actually research WHY China had the one child policy in the first place. Well that's a pile of horse sh-ite, do you know what a false comparison fallacy is, you should you use it often enough .. above is yet anther example of it, you attempt to claim that China's one child policy is the same as forced abortion which is crap, on top of that I have already told you I don't support China's one child policy, so why do you have to lie all the time? I'm going to engage in Godwin's law now ... The Nazi's said almost exactly the same thing, you like them think that women have a "duty" to be pregnant and become mothers, you like them think women are incapable of making decisions when it comes to their pregnancy . .you like them want the state to control her body, you like them think that a woman's place in in the home. So now I'm going to give you one of those yes or no questions, do you support giving the state control over whether a woman remains pregnant or not. Yes or No?
nope I did not, and if you are going to call me a liar you better be able to back it up, otherwise the only liar here is you, and you have displayed that you are on numerous occasions.
This is sickening....YOU have NO idea when a fetus feels pain AND even if they did it's over in a split second ...the pain of taking away women's rights last FORever!!!!! It is legal to abort up to the 23 week when the fetus is VIABLE but women do NOT wait that long anyway...so why would anyone try to restrict the choice to 12 weeks unless they just want to harass women and make their lives harder (and THAT'S PRO-LIFE ????) You: """ after that only when the mother's life is compromised or the fetus diagnosed with a life threatening problem or o me that will significantly reduce their quality of life. "" OH, how kind of you to "allow" other humans to do that . However, ignorance of the fact that ALL pregnancy present a risk to women and ALL pregnancies damage women physically didn't give anyone , including you, the right to rule on other people lives.
Which has happened - China has removed it's one child policy as of 1st January 2016, and yet again you are trying to promote that because some people violate Chinese law that it MUST be government policy and all of them are doing it ... it is known as a guilt by association fallacy. Here let me educate you (yet again) - Guilt by association are part of the group known as association fallacies - An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion. You assume that because SOME officials force abortions onto women that it is the policy of the government, which as I have shown you is incorrect, yet you persist in proclaiming that lie. Just because some officials break the law does not mean it is government policy or that all officials break the law .. learn how to use intellectual thinking instead of your emotional BS.
Stop being pathetic, you asked me to provide evidence to my comment that heart stopping drugs were used in abortion, (as per "Dr" Anand's recommendation) prior to the abortion being carried out .. I provided that evidence from a pro-life source as well, now you want to move the goalposts, no doubt if I answered this you would continue to move the goalposts until you get an answer you can twist to suit what you desire. Almost every one of your comments has some sort of fallacy in it, the one you have used above is moving the goalposts Please do some actual research, a lethal heart attack is painless as the irregularity of the heart's rhythm (ventricular fibrillation), causes immediate unconsciousness, add to that-that the fetus is also naturally sedated, so no there is no "pain".
and there are just as many that refute the idea of fetal pain, along with numerous others that question the reliability of the a number of the research papers done into the fetal pain idea. - - - Updated - - - Truly pathetic
Some veterinarians euthanise animals with an injection to the heart. The animal is sedated first so that it doesn't feel anything. If it works for animals, I'm sure it works for fetuses. ETA: Funny, though, how those screaming about fetal pain don't seem concerned about the fetus being squeezed down the birth canal - that's gotta hurt, but evidently those anti choicers don't care.
The Charlotte Lozier Institute is a pro-life organization dedicated to banning abortion .. so no bias there then The problem with this research is that the people advocating fetal pain exists all have a biased reason to believe it is true, they are all involved with anti-abortion institutes or are personally pro-life themselves. Strange isn't it that Dr. David Prentice accuses the 2005 research into fetal pain as being biased because the people who published it had connections with PP, yet here he is publishing his research into fetal pain when he himself has connections with a pro-life organization that openly admits one of its goals it to see abortion banned .. hypocrisy. As a scientist and doctor he should be refuting the findings of that report instead of casting accusations he himself is guilty of. Pain is a very complex item, it is not just a physical reaction but also a physiological reaction as well, all the "evidence" collected is pretty much assumption based as no actual research on fetal pain has ever been undertaken and the chances are it won't ever be due to legal restrictions imposed (rightly so), much of it is based on observation of premature babies or animals. Like many studies all he has done is seek confirmation to questions he has already decided the answers for. furthermore in the vast majority of abortions after 20 weeks the fetus is injected to stop the heart BEFORE the extraction takes place, and the fetus is in a naturally sedated state while in the womb ergo there is no pain during an abortion for the fetus even IF it could be conclusively established they did feel pain .. and that is still under dispute.
Because I research prior to commenting .. you should try it sometime. As to why, I have no idea .. some I understand do it to avail the fears of the woman that her fetus may feel pain during the abortion, this of course is purely conjecture as there is no conclusive evidence that a fetus feels pain. I would imagine, and this is just a personal opinion, that due to the fact that the majority of abortions after 20 weeks are for very good reasons ie life threat to the female or fetal disability incompatible with life that they are injected to ensure a non live birth simply because they cannot survive at that 'age' outside of the womb.
