Obama fights for credit as unemployment rate hits new low

We were told what would happen with these one way trade agreements

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Um, excuse me! What does this have to do with Obama dropping the unemployment rate down to 4.9%? I seem to recall creating a thread of what happened after the collapse, not before.

 

I told you but you seemed to want to ignore it. For the last few years 75%-77% of all jobs created have been part time jobs. Even Bernie acknowledged it. Why hire one full time person and pay him health care and benefits when two can do it and more and the employer doesn't have to pay anything extra.

 

Its a theory that history seems to back up most of the time. The thing is the mood of the people is usually lags behind the stats on the economy. The thing is the recovery has been very slow and at times it takes a couple of steps back. It is much harder to see a slowly improving economy than one that jumps ahead. Also being as slow as it is, a lot of people will not notice, like in confidence indexes etc. In my opinion the monthly confidence and how people's outlook for the future is more important than the unemployment figures. I mean when it comes to elections.

As for November, the Democrats have to be favored if for no more than they have a bit of a larger base vote. To win the popular vote Republicans must gain around 54-55% of the independent vote. Trump is not that man. Rubio and Kasich may be.

Then there is the electoral college where the Democrats start off with a pretty big advantage. A 247-191 advantage. That is unless some unforeseen event happens between now and election day.

 

What's going to really hurt Democrats will be the big hike in health care costs people will face next January when the government subsidies to the health care providers end. You can bet the Republicans will drive that home before November. Many people will vote more for their wallet than Party.

 

How can a President "push housing" besides signing legislation? If you're making the claim, support it. What legislation did Bush sign which you claim led to the housing bubble?

 

Did Obama hire all of those burger flippers and toilet cleaners ?


There are 94 MILLION Americans who are no longer in the work force under Obama's economy. The 94 million are no longer counted as being unemployed.

 

that is always true

how many businesses open up and offer more high paying jobs then lower wage jobs, heck, most businesses only have a few ceo and exec jobs vs their lower wage jobs

lower paying jobs will always outpace upper paying jobs

the middle class will always outpace the rich

the poor will always outpace the middle class

but nice spin from the right



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The same guy who wanted an executive order to restrict businesses, is blaming Republicans for the lack of growth? Seriously? Some of us have paid attention during the 8 years of Obama.

 

Again I ask, please cite examples of what Obama has done to create private sector jobs

 

yes, I want to restrict business from being able to foreign outsource more then 25% of their workforce, I say take away all tax cuts from any corp that exceeds 25%

Bring America's IT\Customer Service Jobs back home, lets be the information society, let stop giving that dream to other countries

those that control the information, control the power, and some republicans are selling out America for a cheap buck

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If he actually wanted to work with the business industry, instead of taxing wealth because "how dare they have money", we've could've found a reform solution. Instead, he wanted to use his executive pen. Pfft.

 

Yeah , I got ya ...it's Bush's fault . If , if , if .............

 

Again, you seem to be under the mistaken belief that people have to be unemployed to receive food stamps. Enrollment in food stamps currently stands at just under 46 million, down from the nearly 48 million who were getting food stamps in 2013, so we're going in the right direction. Economists have shown that 70% of the increase is due to the recession, while another 20% is due to changes at the state level, which leaves only about 10% you can blame on Obama. And since drops in food stamp enrollment typically lags drops in unemployment by several years, this is not unexpected.

Even the broadest measurement of unemployment shows we're back at historically normal levels. If you have data that shows otherwise, please present it.

 

Good to know that you don't think the law of supply and demand, something taught in first year economics, doesn't apply anymore.

Our economy has been shifting from manufacturing to service for several decades now due to automation, not any government policies. However, there has been an increase in manufacturing jobs over the last 6 years that we haven't seen since the early 1990's.

This is first year economics, but you're apparently not considering all of the available data, like the fact that our illegal immigrant population has been declining for several years now.

 

Maybe you're not looking in the right places. The Consumer Confidence Index when Obama took office was a historic low of 25. Today it is above 90, and has been for over a year. You may not see people celebrating in the streets, but they certainly feel better off than they were 8 years ago.

 

Can you find one instance of Obama calling Republican's idiots in his first term? President Obama practically bent over backwards in his first term to accommodate them while GOP obstructionism began the day he took office. If you want to blame someone for the lack of partisanship in Washington, it's clear where you should look.

 

I didn't miss anything. My point is to clarify exactly WHO you think should be working. Clearly you think there are 100 million people who are not working but should be. Have you ever bothered to see who those people are and why they are not working? Let me know what you find.

 

everyone pays taxes, we do not reward people with extra super sized tax cuts because they make lots of money, the making of lots of money was there reward.....

 

Well there is a propaganda campaign from the right that things are still terrible. Just watch Fox news for a little while and you are sure to see them claim that things are terrible, even though every measure things are far far better and moving in the right direction. Party above country is the foundation of right wing thinking.

 

"how dare they have money"... what a strawman delusion... I guess if you don't have a valid point, you have to make up delusions to argue against.

What are you going to claim next, that Obama is "taxing the rich until there are rich no more.", even as the rich are getting richer and richer... Facts don't support the claim, but hey, republicans have never let facts interfere with an opinion.

 

I've already addressed these issues before. I'm not interested in bashing the same party twice. You missed the first one, that's on you. I'm not going over it again.

 

it's clear you're watching his speeches with partisan goggles on... take the partisan goggles off... being in the middle of both sides, I get to see a unique perspective that seems to be lost on both far ends of the political spectrum... I see the subtle phrasing and jabs in speeches from both sides, saying one thing, and then following those lines up moments later with other stabs in the back after they just got done saying lets shake hands and bury the hatchet, then BAM, hatchet in the back... clearly you need to review his speeches and the subtle jabs he takes after seconds ago saying he wants to bring us together, then bam, hatchet in the back demeaning them...

see this is like someone giving you an apology... "hey, I am really really sorry that I pushed you down when I was walking, BUT, you were in my way"... is that an apology? or is that an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) who doesn't understand what he did... yeah, now review his speeches,look where he says hey guys lets stop the divide and bring everyone together... wait a few moments, then notice his subtle lines about the obstructionist right or extreme far right wingers or one of his favorite words "unreasonable" or many of the other subtle jabs... you don't bring people together by demeaning them a sentence or two after you said you want to bring us together... he's very subtle at it...

its like the "mean girls" in school who say one thing to your face, then in their fundraisers say something else to the people writing checks... if he was serious and meant what he said, he wouldn't turn around and slap them across the face when they weren't looking... thats not someone who genuinely wants to bring people together, its someone who has learned how to antagonize and manipulate others to get his way, he's been very successful at it wouldn't you say? watch the video below... its obamalike...

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I have to agree. The mood and confidence means a lot.

I can stomach those two more than Trump. This is where "my" mood comes into play. After his outrageous comments, I just can't see a Trump presidency. More than right or wrong policies, and he has a few I could probably live with, we just can't go down this road as a country with these insulting comments. This isn't who we are, and it certainly isn't who we want to be. It's not healthy for a country to take on these attitudes like this. Sorry, but my common sense tells me this isn't right. I'm surprised the Right didn't turn to Kasich or Rubio. I'm not crazy about them, but I think I could stomach putting a face on a presidency with their names attached. As for Trump, that man has to go.

Then there is the electoral college where the Democrats start off with a pretty big advantage. A 247-191 advantage. That is unless some unforeseen event happens between now and election day.[/QUOTE]