Any idea what Socialism actually is?

HUH? Why would republicans be devoted to Clinton?

 

They wouldn't because republicans wear big boy pants.

 

Judaism is the religion LOL Jewish is someone who is "Jewish"

Speaking of dumb and dumber. Sanders is not a religious extremist. If the only difference you see between Sanders and Cruz is that Sanders leans towards socialism .... you need glasses.

Feel the BURRRRRRRRNNNNNNNN !!!

 

Here let me educate you as you seem to not be able to think for yourself and rely on others to do your thinking for you. OPEN YOUR EYES CALIGULA, SOCIALISM IS EVIL

Why Are We Socialists?-Joseph Goebbles 1932 "Those damned Nazis"

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

“I have learned a great deal from Marxism” … “as I do not hesitate to admit”-Adolph Hitler

[My task is to] “convert the German volk (people) to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists” -Adolph Hitler

If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites – and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose.” “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?”-Adolph Hitler 1920

We must “find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution”. -Adolph Hitler

“Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings.” -Adolph Hitler

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions” 1927 Adolph Hitler

“What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish we shall be in a position to achieve.”- Adolph Hitler
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Well thanks for that big of grammatical correction. I don't know why you bothered, but... thanks?

and neither is Cruz. Note how easy it is to just say stuff and think you actually said something? lol!!!

oh, and Hillary is innocent, Obama isn't a moron, and Trump is a blowhard.

Boy, I am really getting into this idea that you can just say stuff and think it means anything. Is this what teachers do these days? I dunno, because back in the stone age, people actually tried to present cogent arguments.

Oh, and Jeb is for the future! Let's take back the country! Palin for Prime Minister! She's the one!!!!

lololol!!!!

 

You were the one talking "dumb and dumber" when it was you that had no clue what you were talking about. Priceless

Last I checked, one could be Jewish and not be religious.

Of course Cruz is an extremist.... He wants to force his religious beliefs on others through law.

something cogent/coherent from you would be nice

 

That in itself is quite true, but exchanging arguments with Americans on this forum has taught me it's better to try and sell fridges at the North Pole.

 

Once there was only the Socialist International and in that sector of the political universe they were all Socialists. Then the Communists came out and the Communist International followed.

Thinking to Italian history, when Communists left the Socialist Party they underlined some clear differences.

First of all, they reminded that already Marx made a distinction between utopian [idealistic] Socialism and scientific [real] Socialism. The scientific Socialism is Communism.

The main difference is simple: the final goal justifies all rational means available to reach it, since this final goal, Communism [real Socialism], is the best thing possible for the entire mankind. This means that if Communists have to kill, to ignore human rights, to make entire populations die by starvation, to run tremendous global wars ... in a transition period to Communism they will do it. Caring a nut about principals, ideals, equality ... all opposes the creation of real Socialism has to be erased. Period.

Socialism [the idealistic one], on the other hand, keeps the value of the principals and also of human rights, in the transition phase. The main consequence of this is that idealistic Socialism [the political stream which today in Europe is called "Socialism"] tries and follow a political path, a democratic way, to reach the final goal [which anyway should be the Communist system]. But since idealistic Socialists have realized that real Socialism is substantially an utopia, they "moderate" their aspiration ... usually aiming to a leftist socialdemocracy.

 

Since you seem to be into reading, which is a good thing, try Hans Ulrich Wehler and Hans Ulrich Thamer for a start. Both German historians and highly acclaimed experts, especially late Wehler is worth the time.
I'm not surprised that you're using quotes from the 20s and early 30s. What Hitler or Goebbels said in the late 20s and early 30s and what they later did are two different things. The Nazi Party was highly antisemetic, highly nationalistic, antidemocratic, and: anticommunist and antimarxist. They were also notorious for heavy street fighting with the communists during the time of the Weimar Republic. Extreme left fighting the extreme left? Don't think so.
Said historian Wehler writes that the term "socialism" had no real life meaning in the Nazi Party, it was first and foremost used during the very early beginnings of the party - which evolved in considerable parts from the extreme right wing Freikorps - to bring the movement to the attention of voters who would traditionally vote for socialist parties.
As you probably know, the Nazis also used concepts like Germanism, pure blood, or the ideology of a superior race, quite unknown concepts in socialism.
Hitler strongly opposed the socialisation of recources and production goods which is one of the main goals of socialist societies.
Again, what these guys said or wrote at an early stage of their "careers" and what they later did are two different things.

 

I'm glad you brought up communist. Are you aware that once hitter took control of the country that the communist joined his party? The Germans referred to them as hamburger nazis (brown shirts, pink on the inside). Hitler didn't socialize everything because he didn't need to. He made all his nazi favorites into Ministers of X who controlled those industries. Hitler controlled the ministers. So yes he did socialize the economy by controlling the men who had real power in it. And I do t give a good *******n what liberal socialist German professors are saying about the nazis. I can read what the nazis themselves said about themselves. Portraying the nazis as right wing is a lie that pinko left wing socialist professors have perpetrated in order to hide the fact that hitter and Mussolini are directly influenced by their ideologies. He'll Mussolini had a picture of Marx hanging above his desk for years. Furthermore if you actually read what goebbles and hitter said the reason they were anti Semitic is because the viewed the Jew as being a representation of capitalism. How many right wingers do you know that hate capitalism?

 

Socialism may eventually lead to a Commune of Heaven on Earth; Capitalism will never buy us a stairway to Heaven.

 

use a dictionary to learn about it.

 

An encyclopedia is better and wont enable, special pleading.

"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" — Margaret Thatcher

 

If human nature remains unchanged no ideology will protect us from self immolation.

 

You appear to be talking about Soviet Union, but the Soviet Union was not in a 'transition phase' it was an authoritarian state. They shot the Communists.

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This is a nonsense argument.

 

'National Socialist German Worker's Party' is gibberish like if an American party were called 'Progressive Conservative Party.' There were people in the Nazi party who were economic populists and took the 'socialist' part of the name seriously, but they were purged in the Night of the Long Knives to help Hitler cozy up to the Conservatives.

They talked about 'socialism' because it was popular at the time, and Germany was coming off a failed Communist revolution. If you said 'socialism' to someone in the thirties, they might not know what it meant, but they'd assume it was good.

 

At the end of the day it comes down to this: we have the guns, we have the police, we have the support of the majority. You will either give us your property or you will be caged or shot like any disobedient animal.

 

Joesph goebbles was killed in the night of the long knives? Nope. Boremann? Nope. Goerning? Nope. Come on man you don't even have your history correct. Yes hilters main competition to power was killed during the night of long knives but he was every bit the socialist as hitler was.

 

Those are not the people I'm talking about.

If you think the Nazi party was socialist then you are deeply confused.

 

Well the nazi party thought they were socialist and that is deeply good enough for me. We do have records of their beliefs as I have already posted. The nazi party were ultra left wing socialist.

 

If a Communist has to exterminate Communists to grant the future of a system based on Real Socialism ... that Communist will become a serial killer of Communists ...

 

It is not an argument, but advice on how to not resort to fallacy in your arguments.

 

Another of Ayn Ran's absurd fantasies.
In many nations across this planet by democratic electoral process peoples have decided to contribute to the welfare of those less fortunate than themselves and more importantly support a state financed medical insurance system that in the majority of cases is far more efficient than the 'free enterprise' mess you in the US have imposed. Have you ever thought about the cost to the American nation of having a high percentage of your population unable to access basic health care and becoming un-employable as a result? It's not the kind of accounting you people dare conduct. As to all this paranoid crap (like making the sign of the cross at an exorcism) at the mere mention of the term socialism GROW UP AND STOP LOOKING FOR COMMIES UNDER THE BED ! ! !

 

You know what Margaret Thatcher said about Socialism don't you? "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money".

 

I believe you are quite misunderstood. Socialism is primarily an economic ideology. The idea is that, if the group has something and an individual doesn't have that, then the group should give what they have to that individual. Essentially, "one for all and all for one". Communism is also chiefly an economic ideology. They assert that everything should be owned communally, hence, communism. Capitalism is also an economic ideology, which asserts that people should invest their wealth to build capital which will keep the economy running and wealth distributed. What you seem to be against is authoritarianism, or dictatorship, which is a form of government. The Nazis were not socialist, even if their name has socialist in it. Stalin may have been communist, but the only similarity between the Nazis and the Soviets would be that the head of the State controlled everything, and even that is somewhat subjective because the Nazis were fascist and the Soviets were not. Nordic countries are socialist, would you say that they are comparable to Stalin's Russia? No. They are not. Because their governmental form is different, and so is their economic form. While I agree that socialism is flawed, claiming that socialism is a form of government is quite ill informed.