Why doesn't Common Core work in Education?

But we would never know. The teachers now just teach the test and have blind faith that if the student regurgitates correctly, they have done a good job. My experience thus far is that is an incorrect assumption.

 

But that's basically the scientific method. Tests are given so we can figure out which of these rapscallions know how to get to the cheese, and which ones are still rats in a maze fapping before falling to sleep without bothering to leave the gate.

Tests aren't these things that say "Stan is Stupid!". It is what it is, and if Stan wants to masturbate during a test, then that's what Stan does. You collect the tests and grade on a bell curve. Stan is not going to fare well, unless the test was to see who can fab during a test.

That's not an incorrect assumption. We're not simply testing the fapping speed of students, but rather their ability to come up with a solution to a problem (common core) versus an answer. Sure, you can memorize the multiplication tables, but do you understand why 12 x 12 is 144? Have you just memorized that, or do you understand why 12 x 12 is 144?

 

I'm afraid I have to strongly disagree. From the start, I would never knowingly agree to conduct such a life effecting experiment on children. Aside from that, it is only your assumption that the process of learning multiplication should rely on number slides rather than traditional column operations is a better way to teach the skill. If you were going multiply 12x12, would you visualize a page full of sliding scales? I don't visualize anything. It's as simple as multiplying 1x2 and 2x2 then adding some columns. I follow Einstein's advise, make everything in the world as simple as possible, but not simpler.

Math and reading are both examples of arbitrary agreements of abstract concepts. They have an order, proper grammer, and agreed conventions of their meanings. They are both thought experiments that allow us communicate with each other. How we learn the conventions and grammer of each of them is a personal process and teachers can only guide us through the process, not do it for us. I have serious doubts that we should set aside a thousand years of traditional teaching methods and processes in favor of what a new generation of psychologists say should be sufficient for everyone.

 

The math is insane, especially the "Counting up" method. 30+12 is something you should be able to do in your head without going through a multi-step written process

 

The purpose of the educational system is not to educate. It is to make submissive citizens who will do what they are told to do, bow to authority, go to work and do mind numbing redundant tasks for 45 year and then die without accumulating any wealth to pass down to their prodigy. It is the perfection of slavery.......

 

Is Common Core a catchphrase used in the public school system. (Where the teachers can't be fired for poor results, and the inmates are in charge of the asylum?)

Home schooling and private schools if you want to protect your kids from the sewer that is the contemporary education system.

 

Because 12x12 is neither 143 nor 145?

Do you know why, if a number is divisible by three, the sum of its digits is divisible by 3? I figured it out before falling asleep last night.

A little easier is (-1)x(-1) = 1.

"Minus times minus is plus. The reason for this we need not discuss."

But 12 x12 = 144 is just a brute fact. You may as well memorize it.

 

In a way, yes. Grades are no longer meant for the students, they are meant for the universities. University grades are now meant for the corporations. Schools now teach kids how to satisfy their bosses, teachers, and parents, but never themselves.

 

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Obviously it is confusing to the kids, because it is confusing to most of the teachers. Teach them and let them learn math, and then when they are in high school definitely challenge their critical thinking.

 

And that is an important part of it. IMHO, in terms of math, students need to know 2 things--1) what the computation they are doing means in real life and 2) they do need to learn computations to a point of automaticity (aka memorization of basic "math facts" like addition of single digit numbers and the multiplication tables up to 12x12)

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IMHO, it's too late then. They need to learn what the numbers mean, not just plug and chug. They need to be doing word problems before high school, for example.

 

There are probably only 3 or 4 learning styles in a class of 20. A teacher should be able to teach to those in a typical class.

 

Part of the problem with common core is that's a new system. Most parents didn't grow up with it being taught and so they find themselves at a loss when their kids are coming home with it on their homework. I don't mean to argue that my example means that common core is fine, but at least part of the resistance is coming from the frustration of parents who weren't taught it's methods and have trouble helping their kids with it. It's really not unlike the dawn of computers and how older generations were slower to adopt them than those younger generations that grew up with them. People are comfortable with the way they've learned, and new methods that they aren't familiar with can be frustrating.

 

There aren't many 30+ student classrooms in elementary grades anymore. Around here, the elementary schools have a size cap of around 22 students (18 for kindergarden).

 

Nothing about those standards was confusing. I do agree that there are methods to teach the standards that are very confusing, but that's Common Core implementation, not standards.

 

Where do you get that idea? It has barely been implimented. And there is a lot of debate in the education community (which is not to be confused with the cartoon world of right wing blogs and talk radio), over the efficacy of the testing being done. In other words, we don't know if these tests are accurately measuring performance.

 

These are not just word problems, they are abstract equations. Word problems are perfectly acceptable. Or at least the ones we did were. Algebra isn't taught until later years, and neither should this, IMHO.

What is happening is the parents and the students are giving up, and many are going to be left behind due to frustrations they shouldn't be experiencing. Learning basic math and memorization can be frustrating enough.

 

Too you, however many parents are done with it and just as many of the kids, or more, if not taught properly will just tune out as well. Everybody doesn't absorb information the same way, and they sure as heck don't comprehend the same manner either.

 

You may be correct.

 

I will admit, when my boys were in elementary school (pre-Common core--about 10 years ago), I was banned by my wife from helping them with math. Why? The math series the schools used was very conceptual, rather than computational (like Common Core stuff). I got frustrated, so my wife told me to stop helping them. Now that they are in high school, I'm again allowed to help. I remember my parents had the same problem back in the 1970s when I was in elementary school.

 

The rest of the world, which has been kicking our ass in math, has been teaching algebra in elementary school for quite some time. It's too early to determine the effect on kids.

 

Please show me proof of both of those contentions. Has anybody done studies to show that parents are "done with it" and kids are tuning out?

 

Yes, I went through "new math" as well. It was an interesting idea designed along the lines of symbolic logic. It was supposed to make things easier to understand the basic concepts, but it wasn't.

 

Bah ... All I know is that after 12 years of school a kid does know the basics of Philosophy (logic, logical fallacy, what constitutes a valid argument) and basic Civics - has no clue what the legitimate authority of Govt is or about the nature of individual rights and freedoms with respect to the law.

 

New Math, I remember that. For all the youngsters, here is a description of New Math by the indispensable Tom Leher

https://youtu.be/UIKGV2cTgqA