State Media SB: "82.3% of Belarusians - the renaming "Russia" to Muscovy"

its already happened, but i agree with you , its not that simple question, much like any other Asiatic country it has used many names . depends on circumstances. Tatriya, and the official one ulus Juchi just some of them. which one do you personally prefer?



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the topic has nothing to do with fascists , SB is the leftish, state own, pro-President newspaper...

 

as we all in the east europe fully support you guys ))) and our Freedoms

 

I am a russian. So I prefer the name Russia for my country... I went to school in USSR but to the question of a teacher my very first answer was 'Russia', although it was a mistake and the correct answer at that time was 'the USSR'.

You try to depict an Internet poll which any bot-base can easily affect. In this very picture it is the votes of less than 500 entities and I am not sure that this amount equals the amount of people, because the guys who make orders to you work against of people and not with them.

This byelorussian newspaper posted an article about the initiative of one of the ukrainian deputies to rename Russia. This deputy is a wife of well-known ukrainian fascists who by chance said in an interview today that "...the war with Russia will not end when they return Donbass and Crimea but only once burn Moscow to the ground'.

 

Another ukrainian fake. There's no such a poll on VK.

 

+1,

once Ireland got its Interdependence, UK has never used term Britain (which´d include Ireland) in the political context , and NEVER USE ENGLISH LANGUAGE as a explanation for its colonial past /cause, like Muscovites do in Ukraine ...

 

as them )) https://vk.com/sovbel?w=wall-42607865_12721
does Maydan owns SB http://www.sb.by/, the Belarusian state media?

ps
http://ru.delfi.lt/abroad/belorussi...ereimenovat-rossiyu-v-moskoviyu.d?id=70511146

 

Neither Italy, greece or Turkey claims to be the successors to the roman or byzantine empire, and none of them regards themselves as romans. Also, the name romania has become quite separate from the roman empire. That happened many centuries ago. Russia on the other hand, has retained it's original meaning more than romania has. Romania may mean land of the romans, but italy greece, or turkey doesn't claim to be romans. Russia means land of the rus, and ukrainians, belarussians and russians all claim to be rus. That is the important difference.

I find that the argument is quite strong actually. They are all russians in the sense of being descendant of rus, so why should russia get to be called russia when they are all russians? It would be more fitting to rename russia to muscovy, and then refer to the three countries as russian countries.

Have you not heard of the grand duchy of muscovy? That is the predecessor of modern day russian federation.

when was it ever called that by anyone other than russians?

I see it more like an inhereitance dispute. Three children fighting over the inheritance. All three have equally strong claims.

 

Posting roasting chicken after the burning of innocent people in Odessa would be similar to the Nazis posting them in relation to the Jews when they too were being burned...and yet even they didn't stoop to so much evil.

Litwin had to have picked it up from the Gallicians, which means the hatred in their hearts must be excessive...something I can only relate to the occult and satan worship. Which makes me wonder, just who are these people, and what kind of a god do they worship?

I did read that some drug has been put into their drinking water as a substitute for chlorine, but does that answer the atrocities they committed in WWII under Bandera's Oun when they were bashing children's head against the wall?

 

But Litwin, Moscow didn't exist before the 12th century, so it can't be called Moscovia. How about Varangia?

 

i dont care, Varangia or Juchi or Tatriya. just dont use what does´t belong to you...

 

Bots, ok, did the Bots posted this article inside of Belarusian official , state own , pro -president media?

https://pp.vk.me/c633828/v633828777/1a7fd/Tm6I_FvWx-M.jpg

and why is Belarus develops own rocket technologies as a madman, and became the best friend with Pakistan?) still think that you can pull out Crimea 2 in Bielarus`?)

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/polonez.htm

 

You are indeed a true gentleman a scholar and one of the intelligent members here. Ukraine, Belarus, and Muskovy ( Moskalshchina ) were always separate countries it was during the evil years when the Muskkovite and Soviet empires despoiled the air that all of the decent peoples of world had to breathe that Muskovy pretended that they were linked. The Muskovites lacked a history therefore they stole the identity of the ancient Kiyivan Rus and acted as if they were part of it. Litwin has already pointed all of this out many times before.

 

you couldn´t get over the Odessa, its only one place in the world where ordinary people , Football supporters turned GRU/TransDniesterterrorists / local police Moscow´s infiltrators - into roasting chickens . this is the biggest victory of the Football supporters in the world . do you agree?





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Actually when a Greek wants to emphasize his heritage, he calls himself a Roman. This is what they are called in the Near and Middle East as well.

The name Greece, which was the Italian name for a Greek tribe, is an innovation, probably by the king of Bavaria at the time of the enlightenment when they wanted to see them as the foundation of western civilization. The Greeks then picked up on it and began thinking of themselves as the inheritors of ancient Greece, rather than the inheritors of the Roman Empire...which they are.

Strangely enough, when Sultan Mehmet II conquered Constantinople, he considered himself the new Roman Emperor. ..but it shouldn't surprise anyone. Since Mohamed is seen as superseding Christ, and Islam is a political entity as well as a faith, an Islamic emperor would be the natural successor to a Christian one.

The city of Rome and Europe is seen as the next conquest of the Turks... Erdogan is a manifestation of these Ottoman ambitions, so the migrants that are being thrown into Europe, are not totally by chance.

 

yes, its true, but your lost everything Roman during Ottomans times...you are not Romans anymore, you are a new nation , the Greeks , British creation ...

 

Kievans and Lithuanians with a топор to grind.

 

did you get the book , which i recommended to you?)
Ukraine, Belarus was in 1 country only one 1 time, in GDL 150 years ...Muscovy was at that time a Mongolian ulus

 

question which i have. was territory of Muscovy the Christian lands or it was a symbioses, or a Muslim one..any ideas?
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/25816/alexander-nevskys-helmet

http://www.vz.ru/news/2009/6/9/295788.html



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Thanks! I knew it was something like that, especially when I saw the white handkerchief, but it's even funnier than I thought. I'm amazed the one asking the questions could keep a straight face.

I'm still laughing.

 

Greeks are not inheritors of the roman empire, and greece is not a successor state of it. Rome is dead, romans are gone. Legally speaking of course. There is no people today who consideres themselves to be romans like the ukrainians, belarussians, and russians consider themselves to be rus. That is the difference.

 

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Zhanna i have a question , have some Greek dreamers wanted to rename Greece to Roman Republic/Empire in XIX c.?

 

Go to that link and check

 

'Russia' is a proper name. Every proper name originated from some meaningful notions, but in fact it means a certain object. My name is Yaroslav. It means 'glory to the god of spring Sun'. But this primary meaning is not relevant, because it is just my name. People call me so to distinguish from other people (Vladimirs, Alexanders, Ivans etc). If you want to call me differently just because you are not able to pronounce it correctly - it's not a problem. But if you want to call me differently just because I am a christian and don't worship any pagan god - that is another thing. A senseless joke.

There are historical names for these territories known as Byelorussia and Malorussia... At the moment the most promoted idea in the territory is that they have nothing in common with russians. They mostly are not russians, because they don't want to. But the possibility exists.

This way Russia would just disappear... It's the same if we rename all the Johns into Muhammed or Abdul just because none of them has the right for the name alone and that used to be the most spread name so all Muhammeds who take the leadership in name spreading will be considered Johns by the initiators of renaming. Or if we take the surname Smith away from all of its owners who don't work with metals. It is senseless.

Russian Federation took after the USSR. We paid the debts of the USSR, we succeeded the rights and obligations of this entity. USSR succeeded to Russian Empire. Russian Empire succeeded to Moscow kingdom. Moscow kingdom to grand duchy of Moscow. Several grand duchys are located between it and the duchy of Kiev. This duchy in its turn appeared on the basis of tribal union of eastern slavs who were already known by the time that Kiev was established. I see no reason to ignore around 500 years of russian history to see the only predecessor in one of the state forms which existed for less than 100 years.

Byzantium. They had different names for the Black Sea and this was one of it. The trade between China and Europe started before we have any serious description of it. Trade routes have always been a matter for wars. The mediterenean sea was not always available and safe for it. Some countries were out of the trade routes. Novgorod had two major trade routes - one to Volga river (around Byzantium) and another to Dnepr (to Byzantium). Foundation of Kiev was necessary together with the conquer against Khazar Kaganate to reroute the world trade to Byzantium and Baltic Sea. In this period the Black Sea got its name as Sea of Rus.

Name is already inherited. It is not a trademark. There is no dispute between the children of who will become Russia, because it already exists. There is only gossips from Ukraine that Russia is not Russia but Moscowy. As if the renaming will return the times of 10th century when Moscow was a swamp and Kiev was a big city of the past.

 

The article with a name that you quoted in the first page 'Paranoia is getting stronger: Russia or Moscowy?' was definetely made by pro-belarus media. The poll was also made by them. But it doesn't mean that all the 500 voters and majority of 200 voters from Russia support the option Muscowy.

Because it is a sovereign state. Not a failed one. If your kind succeeded with maidan-like crimes against the people of Belarus - there would be no rocket science there. Ukraine had rocket science since soviet times. And all of it is lost. Belarus haven't got one those days. But under 'the last dictator of Europe' had a success in the sphere. It's normal and reasonable.
As for 'Crimea 2' I hope that people of Belarus would not commit the same mistake as kievans. If they don't - there will be no opportunity for any actions like that. But if they do - it can result into a lot of blood when aggressive russians will have to violently defend their views on policy, history and culture and the new europeans will peacefully burn kids and old men alive imagining that they are fighting with special agents.

 

i hope you understand, that's once Kadyrov and Givi show up in Smalensk Belarusian state will retaliate with all rockets all powers (much possible Nuclear weapon from Pakistan ) which it has , so it´ll be no chance for you guys just drink vodka and watch Crimea/Lugandon 2 wars on urinal RT TV, the war will come to your home...so think, think