Are people who pray a lot freeloaders?

who said I was praying, you all were the ones doing the praying, have more faith in yourself

 

I don't pray the way atheists say I should pray, I pray the way Jesus taught us to pray, so don't bother trolling.

 

do you think prayer can help vets regrow lost limbs, it's a simple yes or no answer

I never told you that you had to pray for our vets... you don't have to unless you want to, all I did is ask if any wanted too, be interesting to see what happened would it not?

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How about if I just say what I think, that your post (along with the OP) is a category mistake, the question is meaningless, you don't know what you are talking about and you don't know enough to know it.

Now you've been told repeatedly and you still refuse to get it. Don't bother me with this again, go bother someone else.

(This is where he gets all POED and exclaims "He can't answer the question" after I have already told him three times.)

 

Yet another evasion.
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You still haven't answered the question. Want to give it a try or do you want to insult me some more?

Its up to you...I go to sleep at the same time either way.

 

Welcome to the club.

Reading between the lines, reading what he WON'T say, it's obvious to me that you are the clear winner in your debate with him. A person who does have the answer will gladly provide said answer and not deflect/hem/haw like he's obviously doing. Keep up the good work.

We. Are. Winning.

 

Unlike a religious person, I'm willing to take a stab at that question. My answer is: NO, it doesn't help, because either god/Jesus/Zeus are not real, or they don't give a damn about us, so either way they are not worth my worship.

A far better way than begging to an imaginary slave-approving invisible man in the sky for something would be to volunteer or pay money to one of the veteran amputee groups that you find here: https://www.google.com/search?sourc... amputee charity&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.3932j0j7

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I'm guessing....the latter.

 

Its what they all do. Ask a question and get no answer...I didn't really expect much, but the lack of anything resembling an answer is telling.

I'm waiting for the "God moves in mysterious ways" crap now.

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And how did Jeebus teach you to pray?

 

Yes, incredibly telling. We don't hate them, we just want them to see a better way (I say this as a former Christian who believed in a talking snake, no less.)

You're reading them like a book! Yes, Bigfoot, and yeti, and Nessie, also move in mysterious ways.

The more of your logic and reason that I read on this forum the more I'm impressed with you. I honestly think that you are a better person than Jesus (I'm serious.)

 

I can't help it if you don't understand me.

 

I don't know who "Jeebus" is. Aside from that, didn't any of you guys go to Sunday school?

You'really making yourself look stupid to those of us who know this stuff.

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Another "former Christian" who doesn't know what WTH He is talking about.

 

I was right, it was the latter.

Clearly Jesus has failed to create a belief system that his followers follow that creates clear, concise, logical teachings for his followers to follow. They WANT to defend him, but Jesus has left them up a creek w/out a paddle, so to speak. The talking donkey, talking snake, and talking dead invisible guy should be people's first clues.

 

No, seriously, KKnight is smarter than Jesus - just one example: KKnight would have said to his followers "write this down....." before an important speech (say on the mount, etc.) so that the speech was not handed down verbally, over 40 to 80 YEARS(!) like it was, where it could get deleted, added to, tampered with, distorted, forged, etc. Jesus was a dummy, KKnight is not, as he gets the concept behind the children's game Chinese Whispers (aka Telephone): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers

Yet another example: KKnight cares more about people, because he didn't teach hatred like the Prince of Pain did: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26 NIV.
KKnight is more compassionate, and less egotistical, than Jeebus (two important moral attributes.)

 

I did answer the question, and you are too uneducated to know it.

 

They want God to bail them out!!!!!!!!!

 

This is what I think also. They want god to rescue them from their own stupidity and at the same time to feel like they are involved in the whole "god" deal. They aren't bums, in their own feeble minds, they are just talking to their buddy in the sky and asking for a solid.

 

I'm not coming to your house forcing you to respond, so I can't be bothering you. Just don't respond. I'll get the same info either way from you.

 

Are all not equal in the eyes of your god?

 

I don't know if that is all accurate. But I can confidently say that all of the people that I've known that unethically exploit the welfare system use christian ethical values to justify it.

 

When I went to church for three years, the old preacher's
job was to get people more "excited" so I was praying like a Muslim - maybe five times a day.

Now, I do this:



Less excitement.
Less praying.
More thinking.

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The faithful have a bit of a leg up...

 

What would be an example of those values in this case?

 

I would say they tend to be. Culture has conditiond us to use prayer as a sort of hotline for aid or emotional distress.

However, prayer can be used to focus and empower action- much like psyching yourself out at the gym to lift more or run harder. A lie can be productive. The problem, however, is that once you lie, it's hard not to lie again...and again...and watch each lie grow bigger and bigger.

Yes, those who pray are more-or-less asking for something, but many who pray also live and work for themselves and likely use prayer as an emotional crutch or stimulant. I don't see nothing too wrong with this except for the fact that allowing one deception usually makes it easier to allow another.

 

Most of us believe as St. Augustine taught--“Work as if everything depended on you and pray as if everything depended on God.”

That, and you're talking a very immature level of prayer. Most of us get past that sometime in high school.

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Thanksgiving, honoring God, asking for me to accept his will.