Evolution thread.

So, if humans were wiped off the earth (say, in a nuclear holocaust) time would stop???

With our many kinds of telescopes today we can detect radiation from so far away that the radiation took many millions of years to get here.

As a YEC proponent, do you believe God created that radiation in flight, in just the right configuration to trick us into believing that there are other galaxies out there?

"ID" is just religion made to sound "sciency". It does not following the requirements of science and thus is something else - something that is NOT science.

So, when you suggest we "choose" to "prove" the spiritual world, what the heck are you proposing? What rules of investigation are you suggesting?

 

If humans were wiped of the face of the earth time would not exist, thus, eternity would be like the blink of an eye. Step outside the box of what science says and open your mind to what might be possible. YEC is a stepping stone for those willing to believe in the impossible. Time began when the human mind realized its existence and began to measure it. So, with this philosophy one can look at the earth's existence the moment humans realized the existence of time. So, maybe the earth is only 10,000 years old, according to the realization of time.

I have issue with the evolution of the human mind as many see it through a process from apes to modern human. Know one has yet been able to explain how life existed for millions of years without the brain evolution that happened to humans just within the last 10,000 years. YEC at its core is the beginning of modern human existence. Personally I believe the existence of life was there but it was a fleeting moment until humans began measuring time. So, we have records of existence before humans but the timeframe is exaggerated due to relativity. Take for example if you stare at a clock, time slows down for your existence in this world.

A good starting point for the existence of the spiritual world would be to explain some things that science does not. Let's take focus for example. Stare at someone on the highway and more often than not they can feel someone staring at them. I believe it is an animal instinct for protection of oneself. That might be a connection to another plane of existence. Call it the spiritual or what have you, but it is there. Let's prove the impossible, maybe then over time our understanding will evolve to a point where we have a better grasp of life.

 

A belief in a spiritual world is neither necessary more needed to advance science.
Becasue there is no Imperical proof but a conjecture, it is always subject to individual interpretation. Science is a system based on consencious and agreement. Science is the only way you should view the world if that view is going to be used to control and influence the lives of others. It you want to keep your spiritual beliefs benign and separate, fine. But it is not critical to understanding the life that we as inhabitants on this planet share.

We know what life is for us and we know where we each came. We evolved. Not only that, we are getting closer to understanding how far back and from whence we evolved.

 

First of all it's QUANTUM EVOLUTION.

Quantum Evolution is something that is happening right now...every moment.

It is the process by which the Universe and all Infinite in number Divergent Universal States of Reality ONLY WITHIN OUR BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING......as there are also Infinite Baseline Reality Groupings as well but they each have their own set of Natural Physical Laws which are different from our own....within a Multiverse.

From the MOMENT a WHITE HOLE explosively ejected all the Quantum Particle/Wave Forms which would begin to create UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME FABRIC AND DIMENSIONALITY......this explosive ejection known as the BIG BANG......from the moment that happened QUANTUM EVOLUTION STARTED AND HAS NEVER STOPPED.

And the thing is Quantum Evolution is NOT A THEORY but rather is REALITY that is happening in a multitude of ways.

After the Big Bang the ejected Quantum Particle/Wave Forms began to slow their incredibly fast vibratory state....ie.....they were VERY HOT...and began to cool. As they objectively cooled they also began to GENERATE SPACE-TIME......as some people do not understand that there did NOT exist Space-Time nor any void prior to the White Hole explosive ejection.

Space-Time existing in OUR Universal reality and in all infinite in number Divergent Universal Realities within our Baseline Group.....only can exist when MATTER AND ENERGY ALSO EXIST.

In fact.....THE FIRST ASPECT OF QUANTUM EVOLUTION is how Quantum Particle/Wave Forms explosively ejected from the White Hole generated DISTANCE AND SPACE-TIME.

As the Quanta moved out and cooled it cooled to the point it began to arrange itself in what would be A NEVER ENDING AND CONTINUAL ARRANGEMENT THAT CONTINUES TO THIS DAY!!!

The Quanta FIRST arranged itself into a HYDROGEN ATOM....existing as a single Proton made up of 2 UP QUARKS and ONE DOWN QUARK....with a multitude of GLUONS which hold the Quarks together and Higgs Bosons which generates the HIGGS FIELD which allows HADRONS...ie....Protons, Neutrons and Pions to obtain MASS.

But as a single Hydrogen Atom having 1 Proton with a single Electron Orbital Field with only One Electron does not have a FULL and in this case first and LAST electron orbital field....as to be FULL it needs 2 Electrons.....individual Hydrogen Atoms pair up with another Hydrogen Atom as H2.....a GAS....as they each share the others Electron thus the last electron orbital field as H2 is FULL.

As the Protons obtain MASS and the orbital electrons each have a micro-mass due to the Higgs Field.....VERY HOT H2 began to collect in larger and larger amounts and these huge amounts of H2 and their MASS would collect via Gravity to a point that their MASS would vastly increase the CORE TEMPS of what was large rounded disc like collections of H2 and at a certain threshold point of Core Temps amounts of H2 would FUSE into HELIUM...via THERMONUCLEAR FUSION.....AND A STAR WAS BORN!!! LOL!!!

At this point the ONLY ELEMENTS IN THE UNIVERSE ARE HYDROGEN AND HELIUM.....but when the FIRST STARS IGNITED......and they were SUPERMASSIVE BLUE STARS mostly as the now H2 in all the Universe had still not spread out distant enough......these Blue Supermassive Stars burned so fast and so hot they were SHORT LIVED!!!

But inside these Blue Supermassive Stellar Giants.....ALL ELEMENTS UP TO IRON WERE BEING GENERATED!!

As some of these Supermassive Stars died via SUPERNOVA......ALL ELEMENTS HEAVIER THAN IRON WERE GENERATED!!!

As the H2, all elements up to Iron and all heavier elements beyond Iron spread out into the ever expanding Universe.....the now COOLER H2 and Elements began to collect in the same geometric disc like construct and SMALLER STARS WERE BORN!!!

These smaller stars could last much longer over Billions and Billions of years and as all elements now had been generated the areas of the one time material discs that had not been apart of Stellar Ignition would then collect and BECOME PLANETS, MOONS, ASTEROIDS, COMETS....etc.

EVERYTHING I am detailing was done via QUANTUM EVOLUTION.....as QE is simply the existing Universal Mechanisms and Processes which cause Quantum Particle/Wave Forms to ever continually arrange themselves into more and more complex at first ELEMENTS.....then MOLECULES....AND THEN LIFE!!!!!

And EXAMPLE of Quantum Evolution being responsible for GENESIS can be seen when we look at THE VIRUS.

A VIRUS is NOT ALIVE!!!

In fact the two men who won the NOBEL PRIZE IN VIROLOGY.....won the Nobel in the CHEMISTRY CATEGORY and NOT the Biology Nobel Category because..... A VIRUS IS NOT ALIVE!!!

BUT.....a VIRUS has DNA!!!!

The Virus existed on Earth BEFORE LIFE EXISTED.....as a Virus is simply a very long chain molecule with DNA...just like a LIVING THING.....but a Virus is not alive!!

It has DNA but all DNA is in reality is an extremely long chain molecule comprised of Deoxyribonucleic Acid and in particular Adenine, Thymine, Guanine and Cytosine, given the designations A, T, G and C....or GATCA....usually pronounced GATICA.

Now a Virus existed as a Molecule before LIFE existed and when LIFE was finally generated by Quantum Evolution and when the very first group of Single Celled Original Life Forms were generated by QE....and they encountered the VIRUS MOLECULE.....the Virus having DNA tricked the Living Single Celled Organisms into taking the Viruses into and past their Cellular Membranes as the Cells considered the Viruses either FOOD or O2.

Once the Virus was inside THE ORIGINAL EXISTING Living Single Celled Organisms the Virus having DNA ENCODED it's own Viral DNA Chemically into the Living Cells GENOME.

When that happened the Living Cell's Genome instructed the Cell to use it's own raw material inside the cell and the material from the inside physical membrane to PRODUCE MORE VIRUSES!!!

This is EXACTLY HOW a Virus infects and encodes it's Viral DNA into cells even TODAY!!

As the Cells own Genome encoded with Viral DNA forces the cell to use it's own raw material to produce more Viruses there comes a point where there are so many Viruses inside a Living Cells Membrane that the MEMBRANE RUPTURES and this explosion propels Viruses and helps allow the Virus to INFECT MORE LIVING CELLS.

Now humans have mapped the entire Genomes of thousands upon thousands of Life Forms on Earth including the Human Genome and what they found was AMAZING!!!

Even though we and other animals have millions upon millions of VIRAL DNA ENCODING within and as a part of our Genomes we were able to find ONE SINGLE ORIGINAL VIRAL DNA ENCODING THAT EXISTS IN THE GENOMES OF ALL LIFE ON EARTH....be it plant, animal, bacterial...etc.

This happened because every now and then the original single celled life forms on Earth would be in the processes of reproduction via MITOSIS thus the Cell splits into 2 identical cells.....but some of these cells in the process of SPLITTING and reproducing took in a VIRUS and were infected.

One of the almost split cells was able to split away from the other viral infected cell but it did not have the full Viral DNA ENCODING completed by the Viral Infection into it's Genome.

One cells died and the other was able to survive having not enough of the Viral DNA to cause that new cell to start generating Viruses and thus die.....but JUST ENOUGH of the Viral DNA Encoding to allow that cell to IDENTIFY THAT VIRUS TYPE AND THUS THOSE NEW CELLS WERE IN A SENSE IMMUNE AS THEY COULD NOT BE FOOLED INTO TAKING IN THAT VIRUS AS FOOD OR O2!!!

This ORIGINAL VIRAL DNA ENCODING which is the ONLY VIRAL DNA ENCODING to exist in ALL LIFE ON EARTH.....is something that was used back in 1999 by the American Academy of Science to be used as a MATHEMATICAL PROOF upon a Molecular/Atomic Level to DEFINITIVELY PROVE EVOLUTION!!!

And there has NEVER existed a case where a THEORY obtained a MATHEMATICAL PROOF and thus be known as a FACT.....where later on was found to be false.

Once a Mathematical Proof is obtained it becomes a VERIFIABLE PROVEN FACT.

Quantum Evolution is also BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION as in the end all Quantum Evolution exists as is the ability for Quantum Particle/Wave Forms to use the existing Universal Natural....Physical Laws to arrange themselves into more and more complex constructs.

AA

 

The ideas put forward by creationists and believers in intelligent design are based totally on theological principals.
There is no science behind it, and the pseudo-science used to support their ideas is essentially hocus-pocus.
This includes their pronouncements on evolution as well as physics and cosmology.

 

The sad thing is that there is absolutely no conflict in a persons belief in a GOD existing and the reality of Evolution be it Quantum or Biological Evolution.

It does conflict with RELIGION and RELIGIOUS TEXTS.....but the vast majority of people are aware that such Religious Texts were written for the purposes of teaching MORALITY.

One thing I really liked and this made me a person who was very impressed by Pope John Paul II....was the Pope was very interested in Science.

John Paul II made sure that the Vatican Science Team would do research upon the viability of various Theories declared or soon to be declared FACTS such as EVOLUTION and the possibility of Extra-Terrestrial Life.

Now this was back in the 1980's but Pope John Paul II was scientifically PROGRESSIVE and he knew that unless the Roman Catholic Church kept up with ever quickening Human Advancement and Knowledge that the church would begin to lose membership in massive droves.

Pope John Paul II had the Vatican Science Team look over all the studies and data being done in the U.S. as far as in the fields of Genetics and in Evolution.....as well the Pope had his science team formulate a speech for the Pope to give as NASA was launching the Mars Missions and the Pope knew it was very possible that the planet Mars with it's one time vast oceans very well might have life that NASA could detect.

The Pope had a press conference and he told the Faithful that his science team had gone over the studies and data specific to Evolution and that it appeared that EVOLUTION WAS A FACT and that Humanity had EVOLVED over a period longer than 5 Million years in various forms until where we had evolved to in the 80's.

The next day....AND ANYONE CAN VERIFY THIS.....the Rome Newspapers had this headline.....POPE SAY'S WE COME FROM MONKEYS!!!

Pope John Paul II also again to the Faithful not to fear the possibility that the NASA Mars Missions might prove the existence of EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL LIFE.....and that such a reality did not conflict with one's belief in a GOD.

The press once again BLASTED the Pope but he was not discouraged.

In a TV interview when an Italian Reporter asked the Pope if he really believed that Homo-sapiens evolved from MONKEYS.....the Pope laughed and told the reporter...."Not from Monkeys! Human Beings are APES....GREAT APES.....along with Gorillas, Chimps, Bonobos and Orangutans.....and t people have been around for millions of years and have evolved from one time tree dwelling apes."

He also discussed how NASA might very likely discover Life or at the very least WATER on Mars.

I give Pope John Paul II a LOT of credit!!

AA

 

That's a very interesting lesson on the history of life. Here is something to consider, time. Imagin if you will, an instantaneous universe. Then, BOOM, human thought, time begins. A creator with could certainly pull off this miracle. All we are doing is looking at how it was accomplished. A YEC is not out of the range of possibility if one takes into account the complexity of what we know as the human existence.

 

I am AGNOSTIC as anyone who follows the Scientific Method worth their salt should be.

What I posted DOES NOT CONFLICT with the possibility a GOD or GODS either exists or does not exist.

What I posted are things that we either know with close to or 100% Certainty based upon the Math.

Our UNIVERSE is FINITE....but the MULTIVERSE is INFINITE.

The Hubble and Chandra Scopes can see to the edges of our Universe as at approx. 13.4 Billion Light Years distant in all directions we can only see a massive sea of Super Heated Plasma that is approx. 379,000 Light Years thick.

This is the Background Radiation Blast Wave that occurred from the Big Bang.

But understand in any INFINITE SYSTEM....a FINITE SYSTEM WITHIN is only PART OF AN INFINITE SYSTEM.

AA

 

How do you calculate the likelihood of the universe being an accident without knowing the specific process by which it came about?

 

That depends on whether you think that time exists to begin with.

 

... but when you read ideas which see scripture supported by Evolution you deny that is a good idea too...
So you want no interpretation at all.
You happily see the bible as a nice, untrue story about something religious people took so seriously that they destroyed the universally pagan Roman Empire with back in 380AD:

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld, (in the days of Emperor Theodocius, who established the Holy Roman, Catholic, Apostolic Church, on 27 February 380), when he, (the Lamb of the tribe of Judah, the off-spring of the root of David: [Rev 5:5]), had opened the sixth seal of (scripture), and, lo, there was a great earthquake (of religious social change); and the Sun (signs of Astrology) became (as) black as (the) sackcloth of (the hood covering a nun's) hair, and the moon became as blood (of Christ, to determine the very day of the Easter and Passover).

Rev. 6:13 And the stars' (twelve constellations of Sun Signs) of heaven fell (from popular grace) unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, (ruined), when she is (destructively) shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev. 6:14 And (Astrology) departed (from popular practice) as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain (i.e.; Pagan religion) and island (i.e.; secret society) were moved out of their places (in the pagan society of all the Roman World).

Rev. 6:15 And (1) the kings of the earth, (POLITICIANS), and (2) the great men, (STATESMEN), and (3) the rich men, (ECONOMIC BARONS), and (4) the chief captains, (PRIESTHOODS), and (5) the mighty men, (MILITARY LEADERS), and (6) every bondman, (CRAFTSMAN), and (7) every free man, (PEASANT), hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the (institutionalized) mountains (of that pagan society);

Rev. 6:16 And said to the mountains (of the previous decadent and hedonistic social institutions) and rocks (of that wide-open, sexually promiscuous culture), Fall on us, (help!), and hide us from the face (of Papal judgment) of[/B[ (Universal Catholicism), him that sitteth on the throne (of Christian Rome) and from the (words of) wrath of the Lamb, (the Word of the New Testament):

Rev. 6:17 For the great day of his wrath, (the one thousand year reign predicted), is come; and who, (what other God) shall be able to stand (during these Dark Ages).

 

And History is very useful, too.
As we see that the Bible had predicted things which cam true in the future, we need wonder f this whole wrotong was in itself, a hypothesis in Sociology.

The Bible is about Sociology.
t predicts the future.
It is based upon a psychology concerned with understanding the seven Freudian archetypes inside humans,
These seven forces in our individual mind can develop into group behaviors and even national behaviors.

We need examine the writings closely because we have no Sociology today which is hard enough to stop the rise and fall of great empires.
This constant falling down and rebuilding has wiped out many advancements over and again.
We need to see the Muslim terrorism of today as the infection our Western society has encouraged to come and destroy our system.

We need see the big picture, that Feminism converts successful societies in matriarchies.
They are so weak with millions of bastards inside, and socialist policies for everything, that enemies simply walk in and tear down,

 

If a "bible" is written by trained sociologists and historians, I could see your point. But then, we would call it by another name and not a bible. If a bible is written from "divine scripture", you're delusional. Bibles have so many fables in them, just getting a few right once in a while is statistically true as much as chance will allow.

Muslim terroism is an "infection" of the Muslim religion, not our culture, that the vast majority of Muslims reject. It's the a Muslim faith, which in itself is based upon fables, that has to deal with it. So you have a religion, based upon fables and nonsense, countering a sect that believes in the more extreme fables.

This happens in Christianity too as the far right Christian extremist are the cause of more violent behavior then other Christians. But, since Christian teachings tend to me more benign, it's no where near the problem. Both sides are based upon non scientific ideas of the afterlife which have no basis in fact.

Man, you are convoluting so many ideas to rationalize a male dominated society it sounds like irrational dribble. Instead of reading the Bible, you need to read a few sociology text books.

 

Ok, what we see in the universe is infinite. The scientific principle you have described is how we look into the past because of the distance and the speed of light. Science says that for 13 billion years nothing existed, then our planet formed life on it. Then came humans through the process of evolution. We, as humans, are a break from the natural order of the existence of life for millions of years. No life until us has had the capability to measure time. My theory is, because of this, time did not exist, until the thoughts of human imagination came along. With this one could say there was an instant universe with all the building blocks of life you have described. Our existence is the beginning of the existence of time.

You say you are agnostic but you peer through the mathematical looking glass of a creators work. Fumbling around till the next breaking news of what is mathematical fact. Have you considered that the true nature of the universe is beyond our mathematical capabilities, unless, we ad into the equation knowledge of an existence beyond what can be known. You have said life evolved from a virus, how simplistic. Each human life is the existence of a reality that goes beyond what a mathematical equation can prove. Prove imagination, that would be a start.

 

Hocus-pocus, "let there be light, and there was light". Ok, without a "theoretical principal" nothing would be mathematically proven. Like those who were flat earthers following the theoretical principal of what could be seen, till, someone had an idea that the earth was round. See how this works? I say break from the path and chart a new one.

BTW, intelligent design on the molecular level is not a theory. Top scientists have come to this conclusion because if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

 

Your "time didn't exist because humans didn't measure it" idea is a seriously weird part of your religion.

When science uses the numerous clocks available in nature, it certainly does not depend on whether there were any humans in the vicinity of that clock - or whether there were any humans around at all. So, your "no time" comment must be limited to some philosophical aspect of your religion similar to there being no noise when a tree falls in the woods.

And, suggesting that everything was on hold until humans came about seems a fabulously narcissistic extension of that.

 

"ID" is free to come to conclusions like that, because "ID" is religion, not science.

As it is a religious idea entirely outside the scope of science, you are right - it isn't theory.

The flat earth idea of the middle ages and beyond was simply ignorance. The curvature of the earth can be seen when ships go no more than 30 miles or so off shore, at which point one may see masts, but not ships. The circumference of the earth was accurately measured by 200BC. Science clearly knew the earth is round. The flat earth concern probably came more from erroneous forms of logic that still persist - like believing untested ideas and giving too much credit to stories.

So, "how it works" is that education and science are important.

 

Let's remember that Scientific Method has no means of proving anything to be true. So, nothing in our scientific exploration of the natural world is proven to be true - simply a characteristic of science. We do have proof of falsity, so we can kill hypotheses that are false. And, we have theories that are so tested that there is great confidence in them - theories that have never been able to be countered, even though proving them false is tried constantly and would bring huge reward to anyone who could do so.

Unlike natural science, Math does have proof that theorems are true, but that is because math proofs deal with fully defined systems.

We do not have nature fully defined (obviously) so there is always an opportunity for some critical but previously undetected factor.

A major strength of science is that it is constructed to allow orderly progress in exploring our universe while dealing with the problem that we are humans.

 

Weird huh, my religion is open to anyone who will listen. Only $50 a month membership, jk.

A tree falling in the woods is an over simplification of my theory. I do not doubt the existence of life before humans. Without thought of the existence of time it doesn't exist, thus the creation of the universe and life on earth was instantaneous. So, a YEC is possible. Also, a natural clock is not the representation of time unless a creature can recognize its existence and purpose. No creature has ever been able to do this except humans.

 

Science defines us and the world around us. What is science compared to a single truly original thought? Answer: A tool. Truly original thoughts happen all the time, because we each are truly original.

Tell me, how can time exist without the uniquely human trait of complex thought?

 

There you go again with the "time doesn't exist without there being humans" thing.

You need to explain that. Just saying it again is not an explanation.

The planets didn't start revolving simply because humans became aware of time. Trees didn't start building growth rings simply because humans became aware of time. Stars didn't start to go nova simply because humans became aware of time. Photons from distant galaxies weren't frozen in space waiting for the moment that humans started thinking about time.

If you have a problem with that, you need to explain it.

 

If humans on earth went extinct, it would make absolutely zero difference to the passage of time. Planets wouldn't stop. Birds would continue to fly around. Galaxies would continue to collide.

In fact, some other species may well rise to a level of sentience that is fully aware of the passage of time. In fact, every so often we are surprised that various animals have intelligence for which we did not give them credit - even the ability to express abstract ideas with language.

Frankly, when you say stuff like this post of yours I seriously wonder what the heck you're talking about.

 

This is the weirdest argument I have ever heard. Time is woven into space and there is no evidence that it depends on human thought at all. In fact time existed for 14 billion years even while our ancestors were swimming around in the oceans.

 

Uh....I NEVER said Life Evolved from a Virus.

A Virus is NOT ALIVE.

What I detailed is how Viral DNA Encoding and one in particular ancient in the extreme Viral DNA Encoding and ONLY ONE exists within the Genomes of all Life Forms including HUMANS...on Earth.

You either did not read what I posted or you do not understand it.

Mathematics, Physics, Cosmology, Quantum Mechanics, Chemistry, Celestial Mechanics, Dark Matter and Dark Energy and the reality we exist in a FINITE UNIVERSE....but an INFINITE MULTIVERSE....are realities that HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION!!!!

They also do not conflict with the possible existence of a GOD or GODS.....however PROBABILITY CALCULATIONS detail out that the Probability that a GOD or GODS existing AS ADVERTISED in any ancient Human Religious Text exists at a Probability of 1 chance in 10^178th.

That is 1 in 10 followed by 178 ZERO'S.

A STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY exists at and above 1 chance in 10^150th......a 1 in 10 followed by 150 ZEROS.

Thus although there is not a ZERO CHANCE that a GOD or GODS exist AS ADVERTISED in any ancient human religious text......the PROBABILITY IS LOW IN THE EXTREME.....and even smaller a chance than the point a Statistical Impossibility exists at.

As what is a GOD or GODS is REDEFINED.....Probability Calculations change.

If the word GOD is defined as NATURE.....then the Probability Calculation becomes 1 chance in 1.

Science and the Scientific Method are simply a PROCESS....in fact the very best existing process for Humanity to learn about REALITY.

As far as MAGIC or SUPERNATURAL ABILITY.....such things if preformed by any individual is just SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY or MENTAL FUNCTIONALITY upon a level far exceeding Humanity that we have not yet LEARNED to understand.

And here is the LOGIC that backs such a thing up.

If a GOD actually existed as detailed say in the Bible and the story was a fact that Abraham agreed to sacrifice Isaac his son upon a GODS demand and Abraham agreed to kill his son.....even if this so called GOD saved Isaac as Abraham attempted to kill him....and the SO CALLED GOD.....was PLEASED that Abraham obeyed due to his beliefs........THEN THIS IS NO GOD I AND MOST PEOPLE WOULD WANT EXISTING!!!!

This entire story is sick and twisted logic that comes from the weak and feeble minds of ancient men who wrote this TRASH!!!!

A REAL LOVING AND MERCIFUL GOD......WOULD HAVE BEEN PLEASED IF ABRAHAM REFUSED TO KILL OR ATTEMPT TO KILL HIS SON AFTER THIS SO CALLED GOD ORDERED HIM TO!!!

THIS STORY MAKES ME SICK!!!

AA

 

Ok.

The fossils date the rocks. Got it. So what date the fossils?

Like what?

That's losing, not gaining though. It's the opposite of what you need for evidence.

How did the brain got there in the first place?