Why is it wrong to be a "White Nationalist"?

Where you are going wrong here is in believing that Western Civilization, or any civilization for that matter, has a geographic location. A Civilization is not a location. It is a constellation of ideas, stories, myths, aesthetics and philosophy which evolves over time and is more or less prominent in any geographic location.

Was South Africa part of Western Civilization? The White inhabitants certainly were undoubtedly adherents to Western culture and the Black residents were certainly not.

Is female genital mutilation part of Western Civilization? Absolutely not! Is it part of Islamic culture? Why, yes, yes it is! Should we tolerate Female Genital Mutilation in the US. I say no, because it is alien to our way of life. Many Muslim immigrants apparently would change that.

Where do you stand on FGM?

 

The premise of white nationalism is a flawed idea of poor peasant class people. It gives you a unicorn to shot for while you remain at the bottom of the totem poll for the wealthy class.

#1 Spain and the Portuguese were the conquerors of the America and the Hispanic people are actually primarily their descendants. Spain
#2 America of the Founding Fathers is not modern America. Early America consisted of just 3% of Modern America territory.
#3 20 Negros where indentured servants in equal with the other white indentured servants that arrived at the first English settlement at Jamestown. #4 Slavery was an evolved process in America with Spain actually handling much of the slave trade. It actually allowed for free labor that excluded the poor whites from gaining in the labor force. Poor whites couldn't even vote in early America and lived miserable lives.
#5 European wealthy has never poor white and equal class and it has nothing to do with race. Old Europe had a slave class called peasants and the world Slave is slang for Slavic (Eastern European).

You talk White Nationalism, the constant battle cry of the poor, less educated class of Europe. Being poor thinkers and usually not very intelligent, WN idealism allows your portion of the nation to be the most easily controlled. Somehow the WN groups takes credit for world accomplishments that can't be traced to anyone in their lineage.

And when those brothers told me what they were earning, I said, "Now, you know what? You ought to be marching with us. [laughter] You're just as poor as Negroes." And I said, "You are put in the position of supporting your oppressor, because through prejudice and blindness, you fail to see that the same forces that oppress Negroes in American society oppress poor white people. (Yes) And all you are living on is the satisfaction of your skin being white, and the drum major instinct of thinking that you are somebody big because you are white. And you're so poor you can't send your children to school. You ought to be out here marching with every one of us every time we have a march." [King Encyclopedia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_White
http://theweek.com/articles/587242/why-poor-white-americans-are-dying-despair
http://tdl.org/txlor-dspace/bitstream/handle/2249.3/667/03_southern_soc.htm?sequence=7

Also, Africa had plenty of civilization with many destroyed in the same way Pre-Colonial American civilization was destroyed.

 

I appreciate a different perspective on things, but I will tell you that I am a WN simply because I want my people to survive and I believe the world works better with races separated.

 

I understand the idea but personal freedom is better.
Racism in a society of one race would be replaced with class standing or level of pure bloodline, that is the way of one race Europe.
Overall, you don't have to mate with people that lack your features and their are plenty of non-diverse communities in America.

 

Are you blind? Then why do racial differences exist? I assume you can tell the difference between a black and white?

This video has a few good points, and I was surprised to see that Tim Wise actually used the term "advantage" over white privilege as that is the word I prefer to use as well. Where do whites have an advantage over blacks? The President is black!

 

What do you mean? Can you please elaborate on that?

Racism doesn't exist in a country that is of a single race.

Of course there will be a hierarchy or status of people in a single race country. That is normal, natural, and nothing wrong with that.

Yes. But mass immigration/multiculturalism is a threat to my race and these communities will not stay white.

 

Although right now you consider any other person with white skin as white, you aren't the same nationality. That make you actually different ethnically which is why American looked poorly on Jews, Germans, Irish, Italians, Eastern European and other less. There is no white race without other races to identify with.
Immigration doesn't effect middle America so much.

http://fonderiausa.com/5-sicilians-lynched-in-tallula/

 

Yes, but actually whites for the most part are heavily mixed amongst eachother, especially in America. Its very rare that someone is pure 100 percent of one nationality. For instance, in my DNA test I come from all over Europe, and this is true for most people.

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Jews are not white. Germans were never looked down upon. I don't know where you got that. The Irish just like to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) a lot and don't put things into perspective. During the potato famine there were more Irish immigrating to the United States than from England. Yes they were favored yet instead of acknowledging this they only look at the negative and cite some discrimination against them which is common whenever there is too much immigration of a group and it was probably due to their Catholic religion and not racial as many Irish Protestants belonged in the KKK. As for the Italians, they were never discriminated against to my knowledge unless they had black blood in them which is what some elites believed at the time.

What do you mean by the last sentence?

There is so much immigration now that there is virtually no place in America that hasn't been affected by it.

Sicilians are Aryans if they are pure.

 

You're not exactly reinforcing any theory that it is not a subjective terminology. The majority religion of the west was founded in the same region as Islam, some might not consider it to be a custom of western civilization, meanwhile some might also consider the Bole-Maru religion to be a religious custom of western civilization.

As for female genital mutilation, it is not exclusively an Islamic practice, nor does it originate from Islam, nor is it a common practice in Islam. That is, it is practiced in less than 10% of the Islamic world, it is commonly practiced in some areas that are not Muslim ruled, and its practice predates the existence of Islam. However seven of the top eight countries with very high rates of female mutilation are majority Muslim, it is more so a central African issue than it is a Muslim issue

Does female mutilation concern me? of course it does, and of course I am against it.. however, I do not believe the best way to prevent female genital mutilation is to prevent said females from immigrating to the US. I would even argue that parents who move to the US are less likely to practice female mutilation than those who remain in central Africa. The bigger point being, reducing the number of nonwhites who immigrate to the US does not reduce FGM

In regards to whether or not you yourself are a white nationalist, if that is in fact your leaning, then might I suggest you post that in my earlier thread http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-nationalist-do-you-support-donald-trump.html

 

Christianity and Western Civilization are not synonymous. Byzantine Civilization was Christian, but distinct from Western Civilization. Nobody would consider any religion of Native Americans part of Western Civilization.

I am not interested in reducing FGM in general. I just don't want my grandchildren to hang around people who practice it. Keeping Muslims out of the US seems to me an effective way.

I did, early on. But I stated there I am not a supporter of Mr. Trump, so I didn't follow it.

 

If you can't identify your primary roots, you have no nationality but wealthier people can identify their heritage. They consider themselves apart of it whether its German, English, French, Italian, Irish, etc. They are group themselves as White to distinguish skin characteristic but they aren't one group.
Also, Irish are generally the lowest class of White thus they cling to the KKK to distinguish themselves as part of the stronger groups.

You realize that early-German actually didn't assimilate into America usually retaining their own language and having towns that were primarily all German. The forced the government to provide documents in German similar and their assimilation after WW2 was a concerted effort to interbreed them with other Americans.

http://www.authentichistory.com/1914-1920/2-homefront/4-hysteria/
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/uhic/Ref...ay02935&jsid=f6ef0c62ec142c368bfc2a12c90b49ea

In the 1840s, nativist groups (organizations that promoted the rights of the native-born as opposed to immigrants) took up an anti-immigrant, particularly anti-Catholic, campaign. One of the primary nativist organizations was the American Party, which promoted "traditional American ideals" and claimed that immigrants were threatening to destroy American values and democracy. The party, originally called the Know-Nothing Party (because when asked what their political agenda was, members of the secretive party would say they knew nothing about it), mounted very successful political campaigns across the nation. Nativist politicians called for restricting the rights of aliens (who live and work legally in the country but are not citizens) and foreign-born citizens, especially with respect to voting and holding political office. Their primary target was the Irish Americans who were immigrating in great numbers at the same time as the Germans. German Americans probably became the targets of the nativists because of their large numbers. With a different language, customs, and in some cases, a different set of religious or political beliefs, Germans were viewed by some as foreign and therefore dangerous. Many German Americans were Catholics, another target of the Know-Nothings, who claimed that the pope was conspiring to get political control in the United States. Some Americans, too, were beginning to feel the intense competition from German American tradesmen and merchants.
Among the Germans who immigrated after the 1848 revolutions, there were quite a few politically radical intellectuals who continued to pursue their ideals in the United States. Some of these people had come from socialist or anarchist groups in the old country. (Socialists believe in a society in which no one owns private property, but rather, the government or public owns all goods and the means of distributing them among the people. Anarchists believe that governments are unnecessary and should be eliminated, and that the social world should be organized through the cooperative efforts of the people.) Although their goals were usually right in line with the American values of equality, justice, and personal freedom, the political reformers were viewed as radical extremists. The Know-Nothings seized some of the radical political beliefs to stir up the public against German Americans.
By the mid-1850s, the Know-Nothing Party was so popular that its candidates had been elected to important political offices throughout the United States. German Americans, who were typically divided amongst themselves, united in their efforts to fight back against the discrimination directed at them. They were greatly aided by mounting tensions over the issue of slavery in the United States, which divided the Know-Nothing supporters and weakened them as a political group.

There is a reason Italians (and Irish) were the primary gangs (Mafia) of America. They were among the poor in the slum that took up crime to gain wealth.

Today Italians, like all European peoples, are considered racially Caucasian or ‘white’, but that was not always the case. When Italian immigrants began arriving in the United States in the late 19th Century, they were met with racial prejudice. These people, mainly from Southern Italy, were physically darker than most of the arriving immigrants from Europe at the time and were treated harshly. News clippings from the late 19th century describe these Italian immigrants as a sub-human race and it was not uncommon for Italians to be hanged by mobs in the southern states, especially around the city of New Orleans.

http://www.lifeinitaly.com/heritage/italian-discrimination
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism

Also the Irish were not favored, they weren't considered much better than any other poor people.

Like many immigrant groups in the United States, the Irish were characterized as racial Others when they first arrived in the first half of the 19th century. The Irish had suffered profound injustice in the U.K. at the hands of the British, widely seen as “white negroes.” The potato famine that created starvation conditions that cost the lives of millions of Irish and forced the out-migration of millions of surviving ones, was less a natural disaster and more a complex set of social conditions created by British landowners. Forced to flee from their native Ireland and the oppressive British landowners, many Irish came to the U.S.
http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2010/03/17/irish-americans-racism-and-the-pursuit-of-whiteness/
http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html


As for Middle America being effected by immigration, my family is from the deep south in Louisiana and Arkansas. Those areas aren't so effected by immigration as well as rural Nevada, the state I call home

 

Again, that is subjective, some do consider religions of the west to be a part of western civilization, and many people (including the Byzantines themselves) consider the Byzantine empire to be one in the same with the Roman empire.

What we can now take from your posts is you are not really concerned with the practice of FGM being reduced in anyway, you just don't want your grandchildren hanging out with people who have mutilated genitals.. and you believe the best way to prevent your grandchildren from being around such people is to block Muslims from the US

 

many European Jews possess the R1b haplotype, which is considered standard for Europeans.

 

Being a Euro mutt is being American.

I assure you wealthy people have not been shielded from the affects of racemixing. In fact the royal families of Europe married with royalty outside of their nationalities. The British Royal family is very mixed among white ethnicities which is what i am saying. In fact peasants were probably less likely to mix, but they are mixed as well.

I know.

I didn't know that.

No they were always considered white. You could not be a citizen of the country if you were not white. But its true people were pissed with irish mostly for job competition and their Catholic religion.

Why aren't you white nationalist?

 

cause racism is evil and of satan

 

Alright, i stand corrected, the jews are not completely or fully white. They partly originate from the middle east and not Europe which makes them mischlings.

 

That is Christian thought. The Christians used to say anything that was not Christian was "of Satan" such as science, knowledge and anything against the church. To say something is "of satan" from the Christian POV usually means its worth investigating.

 

I bet my eyes are blueer than yours.

 

lol.

Blue is blue to me. I don't care who has bluer eyes.

 

i was in Central Park one day, and this Orthodox Jew was walking with about 15 kindergarterners.

every single one, was blond hair blue eyes.

 

this is me as a baby.

such a good looking blond, blue eyed boy.

more Aryan than Hitler.

 

What is wrong with it? Nothing in and of itself. If white nationalists were able to live peacefully with minorities then cool, but white nationalists have a history of being anything but peaceful. Perhaps there is a new kinder and gentler white nationalists who will have to work hard to remove the veneer of decades of violent racism.

 

You must have some Slavic blood in you. You have a typical Central European/Eastern European smug nose. But you are definitely not what a Nazi anthropologist from Hitlers Germany would consider a "Nordic" Aryan because Nordics have typically high rooted thin nosebridges and thinner noses and with narrow faces. Also your forehead is straight. Nordic foreheads retreat. But to your credit a straight forehead is more attractive than a Nordic retreating one.

Also, technically, Hitler did have some Nordic blood in him and was more Nordic.

Btw having blonde hair blue eyes doesn't make one Nordic. This is a lie. Lots of white subgroups like Italians and eastern Europeans share those traits.


Also no offense but it looks like you have some Asiatic blood in you underneath your eyes. The bones look like they go up and back like a mongoloid but you dont have wide cheekbones which is a good thing. I would need to see a picture of you when you were older to rule that out for sure.

but to your credit you don't look jewish in those pictures, but you are only a baby.

 

Its the minorities who have a history of being anything but peaceful to WNs.

There hasn't been a lynching since 1981.

 

I see the history violence on both sides.

Nor have I claimed otherwise. But neither do I use that one data point when assessing violence towards minorities or racism in general.